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[2017-11-05. : 5:15 pm]  Excalibur -- Ya, Blizz map, 5 min fields 2 squares too far from cc, gas 5 squares too far, no actual nat. smh.[2017-11-05. : 5:14 pm] Excalibur -- Modern nats are designed to let Z do stuff like wall w/evo chambers and shit.[2017-11-05. : 5:14 pm]  Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Granted in Tau Cross you can completely blocc the entrance to your main with one building, but w/e You would usually want to Sauron it up with some tech buildings in front of colonies[2017-11-05. : 5:14 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider I don't think there are any in the matchmaking rotation right now, but I can think of a few without ramps like Tau Cross probably also not open either, I assume? Those I've seen without ramps still always (I think?) had a single choke[2017-11-05. : 5:13 pm] Excalibur -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Excalibur Buy some damn meat, season it up, and put it in the oven or frying pan or w/e, you got that shit. I'm going grocery shopping but I'm not doing that plus cooking on the same day-off. Too much effort. Grocery -> Drive Thru -> Home to be lazy af.[2017-11-05. : 5:13 pm] lil-Inferno -- Granted in Tau Cross you can completely blocc the entrance to your main with one building, but w/e[2017-11-05. : 5:12 pm] Moose -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Help me pick my poison fam. D: Buy some damn meat, season it up, and put it in the oven or frying pan or w/e, you got that shit.[2017-11-05. : 5:12 pm] lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: so I assumed. Would just be nice to have *some* maps that dont force long games I don't think there are any in the matchmaking rotation right now, but I can think of a few without ramps like Tau Cross[2017-11-05. : 5:11 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider There are some builds specifically meant for destroying an enemy's FE (if not destroying them outright) and then expanding behind that so you get the eco advantage and map control This. You pretty much get to take your expo with very low risk while they regroup.[2017-11-05. : 5:11 pm] NudeRaider -- so I assumed. Would just be nice to have *some* maps that dont force long games[2017-11-05. : 5:11 pm] lil-Inferno -- Although if you can contain your enemy at their main ramp they're pretty fucced anyway LMAO[2017-11-05. : 5:10 pm] lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 thats not the same. If you try a 1-base rush vs. a fe and the main has a ramp you can't get up he'll still have better eco on his main because how ridiculously little you need to def a ramp. There are some builds specifically meant for destroying an enemy's FE (if not destroying them outright) and then expanding behind that so you get the eco advantage and map control[2017-11-05. : 5:10 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider The lost FE wasn't free. sure if you just kill the expo with a couple units and eco up. but not if you want a game ending push.[2017-11-05. : 5:09 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 thats not the same. If you try a 1-base rush vs. a fe and the main has a ramp you can't get up he'll still have better eco on his main because how ridiculously little you need to def a ramp. The lost FE wasn't free.[2017-11-05. : 5:09 pm] Excalibur -- Tru, u rite u rite. What fast food should I get today boys? BK, McD, TBell, or Wen-dee?[2017-11-05. : 5:08 pm] Moose -- I think the win % in competitive play by race would tell us more than anyone. Doubt we have it for that map, though.[2017-11-05. : 5:08 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider You probably want to look for naturals for more variation. One-base play doesn't seem terribly common anyway. thats not the same. If you try a 1-base rush vs. a fe and the main has a ramp you can't get up he'll still have better eco on his main because how ridiculously little you need to def a ramp.[2017-11-05. : 5:07 pm] Excalibur -- @Moose IDK, I feel like Freakling is way more qualified to speak about balance than any of us are being that he makes ICCUP maps and stuff. I think hes got at least one map into OSL too.[2017-11-05. : 5:06 pm] Excalibur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Excalibur ... and a lot of stasis fields lol Disruption webs you mean?  [2017-11-05. : 5:06 pm] NudeRaider -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: @Nude http://www.panschk.de/mappage/pics/4626.jpg This one. ... and a lot of stasis fields lol[2017-11-05. : 5:05 pm] Moose -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: @Nude http://www.panschk.de/mappage/pics/4626.jpg This one. Yeah, I'd be learning Z or T if I ever played this LMAO[2017-11-05. : 5:03 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I don't know I'd like some maps sprinkled in where bases are pretty open, just to see all the cheeses and rushes this enables. Could also sprinkle in narrow maps to put zerg at a disadvantage there. You probably want to look for naturals for more variation. One-base play doesn't seem terribly common anyway.[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- Ramps do help with some cheese actually, particularly for Terran. If you fall bacc to the ramp with a marine rush you can create a funnel for the opponent's workers[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] Excalibur -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I don't know I'd like some maps sprinkled in where bases are pretty open, just to see all the cheeses and rushes this enables. Could also sprinkle in narrow maps to put zerg at a disadvantage there. Showmatches happen from time to time on non-serious maps. There's a well made but very experimental map on BWMN that I think Flash or someone played on. Let me link it.[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] Moose -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Ya I getchu. But to the absurd point: A lot of the time its an opportunity for the person who's 'dead' to build back up, which is a threat, but considered good sportsmanship to let them. If you're really 'better' they shouldn't be able to come back from nothing and win. I think you're confusing "better" with "better than the person they bopped and also their other living healthly teammates put together"[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] NudeRaider -- I don't know I'd like some maps sprinkled in where bases are pretty open, just to see all the cheeses and rushes this enables. Could also sprinkle in narrow maps to put zerg at a disadvantage there.[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] lil-Inferno -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: lil-Inferno Or speed vults. IMO Protoss would be the most disadvantaged in terms of exploiting a map design like this. lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: ya, definitely In pro games I've seen lings can just bop hella probes if they slip in because zealots can't catch up to them until later tech[2017-11-05. : 5:02 pm] Excalibur -- I made at least 2-3 old players rage from using maps that didn't mine like shit and actually playing to win.[2017-11-05. : 5:01 pm] Excalibur -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Excalibur IDK, you were building up right below where my main eco was. If I were to move out you could just move in and then I'm dead. Better to just purge a potential threat imo Ya I getchu. But to the absurd point: A lot of the time its an opportunity for the person who's 'dead' to build back up, which is a threat, but considered good sportsmanship to let them. If you're really 'better' they shouldn't be able to come back from nothing and win.[2017-11-05. : 5:00 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider Having open bases would probs favor Zerg a lot if it was really easy to slip lings into the main Or speed vults. IMO Protoss would be the most disadvantaged in terms of exploiting a map design like this.[2017-11-05. : 5:00 pm] lil-Inferno -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Its considered courtesy in NHFFA to let people keep a building to watch since the games can go on so long and no one wants to sit for an hour waiting for the next match. IDK, you were building up right below where my main eco was. If I were to move out you could just move in and then I'm dead. Better to just purge a potential threat imo[2017-11-05. : 5:00 pm] Excalibur -- Also NHFFA in principle is supposed to be a bit absurd and it's moved away from that a lot. Originally people stated 'claims' during the first minute of the match of what they wanted to do. 'Only firebat/valk, only nukes, 3 race army, queen and defiler only' ect.[2017-11-05. : 4:59 pm] lil-Inferno -- plus it encourages longer games (Protoss can wall in, Terran can bunker up/use tanks to defend natty, Zerg can use sunkens at the chokehold, etc.)[2017-11-05. : 4:58 pm] Excalibur -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Excalibur ya but you were begging me to let you stay there after your main got bopped LMAO Its considered courtesy in NHFFA to let people keep a building to watch since the games can go on so long and no one wants to sit for an hour waiting for the next match.[2017-11-05. : 4:58 pm] lil-Inferno -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: why is it virtually all melee maps have defensible ramps to protect the main and/or natural? Would open bases favor a certain race? Or is it to encourage longer games? Having open bases would probs favor Zerg a lot if it was really easy to slip lings into the main[2017-11-05. : 4:57 pm] lil-Inferno -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: lil-Inferno Not at all actually, its the nature of NHFFA ya but you were begging me to let you stay there after your main got bopped LMAO And War of The Lost Kingdoms.[2017-11-05. : 4:56 pm] NudeRaider -- why is it virtually all melee maps have defensible ramps to protect the main and/or natural? Would open bases favor a certain race? Or is it to encourage longer games?[2017-11-05. : 4:52 pm] Excalibur -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: although you're probs still salty that I bopped you that one time Not at all actually, its the nature of NHFFA And War of The Lost Kingdoms.[2017-11-05. : 4:50 pm] lil-Inferno -- although you're probs still salty that I bopped you that one time[2017-11-05. : 4:50 pm] lil-Inferno -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: lil-Inferno I play. I've been making NHFFA maps and playing them lately. I could also go for some RoE or WotLK but its hard to get a good lobby. Wrath of the Lich King? C|X^ D[2017-11-05. : 4:47 pm] NudeRaider -- Only found the stream with russian commentary now. Yesterday I remember finding a spanish cast. All of the same event. Activision must on on a wild hunt...[2017-11-05. : 4:46 pm] Excalibur -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: ain't no one but like Sie and Heinermann wanna play maps anymore smh I play. I've been making NHFFA maps and playing them lately. I could also go for some RoE or WotLK but its hard to get a good lobby.[2017-11-05. : 4:35 pm] NudeRaider -- sorry if old news, but haven't seen this before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c24mzfsHXAo The eggs at the beach made me laugh. But why tf is there a banshee and a viking in a scr trailer?  [2017-11-05. : 4:31 pm] NudeRaider -- there was nothing to see when I tried. Mabye takes a while? Tried a few hours after it ended.[2017-11-05. : 4:24 pm] NudeRaider -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno wut about watch replays? about that ... I was watching the video of the showmatch bisu vs jaedong @ blizzcon earlier that day. Now I wanted to continue but youtube tells me activision claimed copyright and had them delete it -.-[2017-11-05. : 4:15 pm] jjf28 -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: And TBH we could use something spicy. It's been awhile since we got riled up about tabs vs spaces. maybe we should all use non-breaking spaces...[2017-11-05. : 4:05 pm] NudeRaider -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Excalibur wut about play maps wut about watch replays? |
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