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[2014-12-05. : 3:25 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Being used to one language and stuff and then just sort of arbitrarily throwing yourself in to another is what's complicated.  [2014-12-05. : 3:23 am] Moose -- See, you don't even think C++ is complicated, that's how used to complication you are[2014-12-05. : 3:19 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- dunno. I read a thing saying that it is technically possible, but way more complicated[2014-12-05. : 3:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- JackJack shouted: moose I prefer C++ to Java Oh how I wish I could use c++ instead of java, but android doesn't let me  [2014-12-05. : 1:37 am] * jjf28 braces himself for magic boxes*[2014-12-05. : 12:56 am]  Sand Wraith -- JackJack shouted: Sand Wraith But that completely avoids the question Nude asked The point is that it depends on the motive and target of the hacking.[2014-12-05. : 12:28 am] Jack -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: NudeRaider a better question is whether the system is ethical. But that completely avoids the question Nude asked[2014-12-05. : 12:17 am] Sand Wraith -- e.g. I have utterly no faith in NSA using PRISM ethically and would love to see it annihilated before it results in further colonialism[2014-12-05. : 12:15 am] Sand Wraith -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: what's ethical about breaking into a system without authorization? a better question is whether the system is ethical.[2014-12-04. : 10:28 pm] Moose -- JackJack shouted: moose I prefer C++ to Java JackJack shouted: With C++ I can pretend I'm still using C but take advantage of C++ stuff when I want to They each have their pros and cons. IMO, C++ seems more "powerful" but has a lot more "quirks". In my admittedly limited experience, the ratio of time spent being productive versus time spent fighting with the language is better in Java. (Then again, I started working with Java after C++, so I'm sure that's a factor.) I think I might look into D or something, even though it's nowhere near as popular as the other two.[2014-12-04. : 9:13 pm] *Sacrieur shrugs*[2014-12-04. : 9:13 pm] Sacrieur -- Except Hilary, she's going to vote conservative despite registering herself as a democrat. I don't get that.[2014-12-04. : 9:09 pm] Sacrieur -- I think it would be too difficult to pay off both parties to get a copyright bill passed. If you pay off one party, the other party is automatically going to oppose it regardless of the bill's contents.[2014-12-04. : 9:06 pm] Sacrieur -- /should/ of course, how much Apple can get away with pushing their agenda remains to be seen. So far things like jailbreaking are in limbo.[2014-12-04. : 9:05 pm] Sacrieur -- Ultimately it doesn't matter what copywrite laws say, personal ownership should trump it.[2014-12-04. : 8:33 pm] jjf28 -- for describing black hats  http://www.007james.com/i/actors/goldfinger/harold_sakata/random-task.jpg[2014-12-04. : 7:56 pm] jjf28 -- oh you're talking mostly "person X rooting his own phone", not much unethical there, "person Y disseminating a root method" is more interesting[2014-12-04. : 7:46 pm] Sacrieur -- you don't own the "software", but you do own the bits that make up the software[2014-12-04. : 7:40 pm] jjf28 -- perhaps, but you don't own the software per say and harm can be done so theres still room for analysis[2014-12-04. : 7:32 pm] Sacrieur -- You own the phone, you may modify it and its software in any way you wish.[2014-12-04. : 7:31 pm] jjf28 -- i'll be looking at alot of grey-hat material such as hactivism, rooting phones, even my own work with starcraft[2014-12-04. : 7:28 pm] jjf28 -- we're using several ethical perspectives including kantianism, act utilitarianism, and rule utilitarianism[2014-12-04. : 7:27 pm] NudeRaider -- what's ethical about breaking into a system without authorization?[2014-12-04. : 7:23 pm] jjf28 -- i'm kind of iffy on that last comma, but without it "retrieve information" isn't paired as well with "without proper authorization" |
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