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[2019-10-08. : 5:14 am]  Oh_Man -- Probably bcause every single Lets Play video would be getting mass copyright infringements if that was the case. I believe Nintendo copped a LOT of flack from the community back in the day regarding this.[2019-10-08. : 5:12 am] Oh_Man -- martosssmartosss shouted: One other concern about copyright protected music might be streamers, whose videos might be muted if they play a map containing those sounds I noticed this in earlier versions of my map, I uploaded a video of my map, and the Youtube algorithm detected one of the songs and flagged it for copyright (actually I think it just got auto-credited in the description box). Nevertheless, I decided to swap it for a song from SC2 instead. I've found that video game music is 99% of the time is not detected by Youtube's algorithm.[2019-10-08. : 5:04 am] Oh_Man -- That link is just to show you the situation many actual, made-for-profit games find themselves in regarding licencing issues "licence expiration licence expiration licence expiration" seems to be a common one[2019-10-08. : 5:02 am] Oh_Man -- They're using intellectual properties without getting the appropriate licence. https://store.steampowered.com/curator/31857481-Games-at-risk-of-removal/[2019-10-08. : 5:01 am] Oh_Man -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: So we should keep copyright abuse to a minimum to keep it that way You realise people making those LOTR maps is copyright infringement. Panzer making Resident Evil Raccoon City is copyright infringement. Don't let Nude's fearmongering scare you. [2019-10-08. : 4:58 am] Oh_Man -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: The biggest factor is that most of the playerbase probably makes minimum wage and would not be profitable to lawsuit against. did you just assume my socioeconomic status??![2019-10-08. : 4:56 am] Oh_Man -- so the issue of whether it is legal or illegal in country X or Y means complete f-all hahaha[2019-10-08. : 4:56 am] Oh_Man -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I know it's not legal here. you getting too hung up on what is legal or illegal, which is irrelevant. it's what is prosecuted and what isn't prosecuted. and illegal copyright material in SCBW maps is not prosecuted XD[2019-10-08. : 4:45 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- especially if their music is already streamable for free on like bandcamp or soundcloud or w/e[2019-10-08. : 4:44 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like if you play their music at worst that's just giving them exposure[2019-10-08. : 4:44 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also it probably depends on the artist/owner of the music[2019-10-08. : 4:40 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- afaik the worst that happens is twitch or whatever mutes it like martosssmartosss shouted: One other concern about copyright protected music might be streamers, whose videos might be muted if they play a map containing those sounds said[2019-10-08. : 4:40 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- I saw someone saying once that it's basically just how much you're willing to risk someone complaining or something[2019-10-08. : 4:37 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: I never got how that works with streamers since so many are playing music during their streams. Do they have to get permission to play every song? some of them just don't care[2019-10-08. : 1:17 am]  jjf28 -- I know that many streamers are very sensitive to copyrighted music and that people will sometimes use it to troll audio donations or to troll streamers in a nearby virtual area where sound is shared[2019-10-08. : 1:16 am] Dem0n -- I never got how that works with streamers since so many are playing music during their streams. Do they have to get permission to play every song?[2019-10-08. : 1:05 am] martosss -- One other concern about copyright protected music might be streamers, whose videos might be muted if they play a map containing those sounds[2019-10-07. : 8:50 pm] NudeRaider -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: I imagine they revised the language of BW to match that as I understand it there's only one EULA for all Blizzard games (the one I linked to)[2019-10-07. : 8:49 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Possibly, but since they don't provide an editor to create things with its moot[2019-10-07. : 8:24 pm] Dem0n -- wasn't there something the SC2 EULA where it basically said, "anything you make belongs to us"?[2019-10-07. : 8:15 pm] NudeRaider -- MooseMoose shouted: Has anyone actually even checked the license since SC:R came out? The old one stored as a file isn't there in the SC directory anymore imo Scroll down to "User Created or Uploaded Content." 2 Sections farther down "Game Editors." seems also relevant--however it only talks about editors shipped with the game, so technically this doesn't apply to ScmDraft.[2019-10-07. : 6:52 pm] MTiger156 -- So we should keep copyright abuse to a minimum to keep it that way [2019-10-07. : 6:50 pm] NudeRaider -- so the reason oh_man can include copyright protected material worry-free in his maps is not because he is allowed to do so (and Blizzard would receive the lawsuit) it's because it's not a big problem. Only few people are doing it and probably noone abusing it. that's why it's not enforced. Not because of EULA.[2019-10-07. : 6:47 pm] NudeRaider -- the point is: if this were a loophole people would be using it. And if people would be using it the lawsuits would ensue.[2019-10-07. : 6:45 pm] MTiger156 -- ...and my other statements were about the hypothetical chance of lawsuit. Game Pirates are (1: massive in number) (2: mostly poor). Any piracy is 100% illegal, but the chance of arrest is very low.[2019-10-07. : 6:35 pm] NudeRaider -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: The biggest factor is that most of the playerbase probably makes minimum wage and would not be profitable to lawsuit against. that's also not how laws work: that you can break the law if you're poor.[2019-10-07. : 6:34 pm] NudeRaider -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: So "intent" seems to be a small factor. If the map's focus is gameplay, then featuring a few tracks (as background music) can be easily overlooked. that's not how laws work. That just determines how much effort the rights owners will put in to sue you.[2019-10-07. : 6:33 pm] NudeRaider -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: True, large-scale sharing of material would be immediately seen as malicious, even through the medium of maps. malicious? In what way? Also when evaluating legality it doesn't matter if I just include a few seconds or a few hours of copy right protected material.[2019-10-07. : 6:23 pm] MTiger156 -- The biggest factor is that most of the playerbase probably makes minimum wage and would not be profitable to lawsuit against.[2019-10-07. : 6:21 pm] MTiger156 -- So "intent" seems to be a small factor. If the map's focus is gameplay, then featuring a few tracks (as background music) can be easily overlooked.[2019-10-07. : 6:15 pm] MTiger156 -- True, large-scale sharing of material would be immediately seen as malicious, even through the medium of maps.[2019-10-07. : 6:13 pm] NudeRaider -- what's stopping me from putting in commercial music cd in it, spread it on bnet and then everyone has downloaded the cd for free? I can't imagine this being legal[2019-10-07. : 6:04 pm] MTiger156 -- Its understandable that copyrights are 0% enforced in SCR maps cuz there is no money involved. I imagine its a different story for SC2 Premium Maps.[2019-10-07. : 4:40 pm] NudeRaider -- So spreading copyright protected material is not illegal in your country, as long as you hide it within someone else's product?[2019-10-07. : 2:01 pm] Oh_Man -- blizz owns all our maps, that's why i fill them all with copyrighted sound effects without breaking a sweat  [2019-10-07. : 4:08 am] jjf28 -- CorboCorbo shouted: when are you people going to learn that tabs are superior to spaces we already learned, you just got it backwards[2019-10-07. : 1:50 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Moose notepad treats NULs as EOFs iirc notepad can read nulls, it just comes out really weird and hard to look at[2019-10-07. : 1:39 am] Moose -- Has anyone actually even checked the license since SC:R came out? The old one stored as a file isn't there in the SC directory anymore imo[2019-10-07. : 12:57 am] Dem0n -- stop making mapping anything more than what it is. It's a hobby you enjoy doing in your spare time, and that's it.[2019-10-07. : 12:54 am] MTiger156 -- If you had my zealous level of devotion to mapping, you would also want basic rules of plagiarism to be followed >_>[2019-10-07. : 12:13 am] jjf28 -- o ya, added MPQ protection to that protection methods list, though I don't feel like exposing the details[2019-10-06. : 11:03 pm] jjf28 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: well if you can't be bothered thinking you can just say so upfront. No need to give bs answers or imply bad intentions. Because that's not exactly an exit - it's something I feel the need to respond to and correct. NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: a fight? It's called critical thinking. Why can we never have an argument that is automatically a fight? I'm not even saying that you made the wrong call. I just want to know what led you to this decision.# the fact that I don't want to engage on a topic adjacent to unprotection at a particular time has nothing to do with whether I'm willing to engage in critical thinking/whether I can be bothered to think about it, please respect my wishes to not to have a discussion on the topic NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: *isn't automatically a fight negative connotation not intended, we can call it a debate or discussion, but I maintain that you were fishing for one in asking after my reasoning, and if I didn't make it clear before - I was trying to pull away from the topic before it turned into NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: jjf28 you stated that analyzing triggers is the main point of a read-only map. But no reasoning why that would be the case. I mean sure, this is a ums centric site and naturally a lot of our map-making is about triggers. So I get where you are coming from. But isn't the actual point of a read-only map to respect an authors with that their map remains protected? If not why even bother blocking any aspects? So in my opinion you have no supplied ample reasoning why the you are fine with ignoring the mappers wished for triggers but would honor other aspects of their map. <- this or something like http://www.staredit.net/topic/15638/ this, but without outright ignoring you |
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