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[2016-7-24. : 5:48 pm]  jjf28 -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith Sand Wraith Sand Wraith the context of this discussion was purely social. Discrimination is entirely different than what we speak of. Nice strawman you also mentioned discrimination like it cannot extend to 'acceptance' social contexts so I would advise looking up the word  [2016-7-24. : 5:46 pm] jjf28 -- while we can't force people to have certain attitudes, I think any expression of those attitudes that has a substantial effect on other peoples quality of life should be fair game for legislation/litigation; ofc allowing dismissals of poorly conceived bills and frivolous lawsuits[2016-7-24. : 5:41 pm]  Sand Wraith -- And do you think that they are using government, a social tool, to reproduce their own perspectives?[2016-7-24. : 5:40 pm] Sand Wraith -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith w.r.t. your "additionally..." Why? Who says everyone should be liked and thought of equally. Maybe in government or official channels, but why socially should people be forced to act accepting that is to say, who do you think are working in the government channels to stop the government viewing all people equally and treating everyone equitably?[2016-7-24. : 5:32 pm] Sand Wraith -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: TiKels people form governments. people write the laws. Laws and government are both expressions of people. "purely social" to begin with is impossible.[2016-7-24. : 5:30 pm] Sand Wraith -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith Sand Wraith Sand Wraith the context of this discussion was purely social. Discrimination is entirely different than what we speak of. Nice strawman purely social? I started off with how gender identity should be used as a direction for medical treatment. What are you going on about?[2016-7-24. : 5:28 pm] Sand Wraith -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith and the relative importance of each item varies as well. If you go to a man who lives in a mud hut he probably won't even be able to relate to the same sorts of problems as you. That's what I mean by relative. The way that one person suffers in one situation is different to another. Human empathy is understanding that other people have experiences and world understanding different than yours. To reduce suffering to "who has the largest set of problems" is ignorant yes but we're not talking about a man who lives in the mud, are we?[2016-7-24. : 5:24 pm] TiKels -- The ideal teacher is one that is accepting, open, well traveled, patient. Things that are important for the formative years of kids[2016-7-24. : 5:24 pm] TiKels -- Even if such an occurrence weren't illegal it would still be in poor taste[2016-7-24. : 5:22 pm] jjf28 -- so what's the extent of 'purely social' in your view? should, for instance, a public authority figure like a teacher be liable if they disseminate racist attitudes?[2016-7-24. : 5:10 pm] TiKels -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: TiKels where did we setup this 'purely social' context again? TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith w.r.t. your "additionally..." Why? Who says everyone should be liked and thought of equally. Maybe in government or official channels, but why socially should people be forced to act accepting for clarity, here I set it up jjf28[2016-7-24. : 5:08 pm] TiKels -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith w.r.t. your "additionally..." Why? Who says everyone should be liked and thought of equally. Maybe in government or official channels, but why socially should people be forced to act accepting [2016-7-24. : 5:07 pm] TiKels -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: so I'm quite glad we in Canada guarantee the right for people not to be discriminated against on grounds such as sex, race, ability, etc. Not to burst your bubble but we have the same in the Litigious States of America[2016-7-24. : 5:07 pm] jjf28 -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith Sand Wraith Sand Wraith the context of this discussion was purely social. Discrimination is entirely different than what we speak of. Nice strawman where did we setup this 'purely social' context again?[2016-7-24. : 5:03 pm] TiKels -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: bigots should not be allowed to biggle because fuck those murderous pieces of shit Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: so I'm quite glad we in Canada guarantee the right for people not to be discriminated against on grounds such as sex, race, ability, etc. Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Do you even know how bigots act when they're allowed to do whatever they want? the context of this discussion was purely social. Discrimination is entirely different than what we speak of. Nice strawman[2016-7-24. : 5:02 pm] TiKels -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: TiKels no. realistically, the set of all things cishet people can suffer from is smaller than the set of all things other people can suffer from. and the relative importance of each item varies as well. If you go to a man who lives in a mud hut he probably won't even be able to relate to the same sorts of problems as you. That's what I mean by relative. The way that one person suffers in one situation is different to another. Human empathy is understanding that other people have experiences and world understanding different than yours. To reduce suffering to "who has the largest set of problems" is ignorant[2016-7-24. : 4:57 pm] Sand Wraith -- or deny education. or deny you the right to vote. Maybe you should go to your school's library and borrow some books on social issues or history, or take a relevant class?[2016-7-24. : 4:53 pm] Sand Wraith -- you give them any excuse and they'll deny housing, deny jobs, lynch you, assault you, harass you.[2016-7-24. : 4:52 pm] Sand Wraith -- Do you even know how bigots act when they're allowed to do whatever they want?[2016-7-24. : 4:50 pm] Sand Wraith -- so I'm quite glad we in Canada guarantee the right for people not to be discriminated against on grounds such as sex, race, ability, etc.[2016-7-24. : 4:48 pm] Sand Wraith -- bigots should not be allowed to biggle because fuck those murderous pieces of shit[2016-7-24. : 4:47 pm] Sand Wraith -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith Suffering is relative. no. realistically, the set of all things cishet people can suffer from is smaller than the set of all things other people can suffer from.[2016-7-24. : 4:37 pm] TiKels -- I think that trans/other people should be allowed to do whatever they want. But I think bigots should be able to biggle[2016-7-24. : 4:36 pm] TiKels -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: cis people literally cannot suffer more than trans people, just fyi. similar het people relative to non-het people. Suffering is relative.[2016-7-24. : 4:24 pm] Sand Wraith -- like you must be literally blind if you think that people don't suffer enough. do you keep up with news at all or after you busy having fun with your internship that you got cuz of your family's money or what?[2016-7-24. : 4:24 pm] lil-Inferno -- smh niggas be like "why are you so dressed up" if you're wearing anything but cargo shorts and sandals LMAO[2016-7-24. : 4:24 pm] lil-Inferno -- Well, the clothing and shoes norms at at least LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO[2016-7-24. : 4:24 pm] lil-Inferno -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: I think people who fight the norms of society should be rejected by it But the norms of society suck.[2016-7-24. : 4:21 pm] Sand Wraith -- I think you're retarded. Happy? After you suffering from my insult to your intelligence? cao ni ma de bi.[2016-7-24. : 4:20 pm] Sand Wraith -- cis people literally cannot suffer more than trans people, just fyi. similar het people relative to non-het people.[2016-7-24. : 4:13 pm] TiKels -- I'm pretty on the fence. I'm starting to think that acceptance culture is going too far. People are too afraid to suffer[2016-7-24. : 4:00 pm] TiKels -- There is no need for this sort of brashness Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: shitty conversation 0/10 [2016-7-24. : 4:00 pm] TiKels -- Try and be more accepting of other people's viewpoints. It takes all kinds for a society to function[2016-7-24. : 3:59 pm] Sand Wraith -- TiKelsTiKels shouted: Sand Wraith Imprint social roles in the youth and people grow up tending towards the status quo. Allow open interpretation and you have unpredictability nope[2016-7-24. : 3:57 pm] TiKels -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: aaaand that implies nothing about a society's ability to accept others Imprint social roles in the youth and people grow up tending towards the status quo. Allow open interpretation and you have unpredictability[2016-7-24. : 3:56 pm] TiKels -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: That's meaningless. People can love their own abusers. Your point or the relevance of this statement escapes me.[2016-7-24. : 3:55 pm] TiKels -- For instance, in more conservative societies gender roles are more accepted[2016-7-24. : 3:55 pm] Sand Wraith -- aaaand that implies nothing about a society's ability to accept others[2016-7-24. : 3:53 pm] Sand Wraith -- And I don't see how adaptability implies lack of group identity.[2016-7-24. : 3:53 pm] Sand Wraith -- Group identity can be as asinine as one's favorite sports team or geographic location.[2016-7-24. : 3:51 pm] Sand Wraith -- But to humour you: a strong society is one in which all of its members are strong and as a group it's highly capable, flexible, and adaptable.[2016-7-24. : 3:50 pm] Sand Wraith -- the opposite of a society is every individual being separated physically, emotionally, socially, etc. from every other individual |
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