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[2016-11-14. : 12:00 am]
Lanthanide -- pretty crappy way to start a holiday, stranded in a dead-end town
[2016-11-13. : 11:59 pm]
Lanthanide -- both roads and rail into Kaikoura have been closed due to damage
[2016-11-13. : 11:59 pm]
Lanthanide -- Melanie Wagner, 32, from Germany, said she had arrived in New Zealand three days ago and had never experienced an earthquake previously. She was sleeping in the top bunk at a backpackers in central Kaikoura when the ground began shaking. Wagner said she was thrown round in her bed. When she got up she struggled to walk.
[2016-11-13. : 11:58 pm]
Lanthanide -- 2 fatalities so far
[2016-11-13. : 11:58 pm]
Lanthanide -- the stuff that is being smashed is houses and roads
[2016-11-13. : 11:57 pm]
Moose -- appropriate name
[2016-11-13. : 11:57 pm]
Lanthanide -- I should clarify; that's the name of the website for our main newspapers
[2016-11-13. : 11:57 pm]
Lanthanide -- stuff.co.nz if you want to look at photos of stuff being smashed
[2016-11-13. : 11:54 pm]
Moose -- To be honest, family, it is cool to watch
[2016-11-13. : 11:52 pm]
Lanthanide -- the first quake went on for about 1 1/2 minutes where I am; nothing in my house broke, but the whole place rocked around like being on a boat
[2016-11-13. : 11:52 pm]
Lanthanide -- I live in Christchurch, at the bottom of the default zoom level on the map
[2016-11-13. : 11:52 pm]
Lanthanide -- probably no one cares, but here's the earthquake sequence in NZ this morning: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/nz-earthquake/86434178/earthquake-the-quake-swarm-that-followed-the-big-one
[2016-11-13. : 11:31 pm]
Pr0nogo -- Mwah
[2016-11-13. : 11:31 pm]
Pr0nogo -- But yeah you're right.
[2016-11-13. : 11:31 pm]
Pr0nogo -- I'm sure mesk understands what I meant. Doesn't matter to me if you guys did because the post wasn't meant for you guys.
[2016-11-13. : 11:31 pm]
Lanthanide -- anyway, out for real now
[2016-11-13. : 11:30 pm]
Lanthanide -- also euthenasia is legal in Canada so at least there's that
[2016-11-13. : 11:29 pm]
Moose -- REKT
[2016-11-13. : 11:29 pm]
Lanthanide -- so you know, it wasn't ambiguous
[2016-11-13. : 11:29 pm]
Lanthanide -- perhaps you could have said those things in your post
[2016-11-13. : 11:28 pm]
Pr0nogo -- So I hope the dude can find happiness without suicide, but if he can't, then I'll feel better knowing he isn't suffering anymore.
[2016-11-13. : 11:27 pm]
Pr0nogo -- That is mesk's situation.
[2016-11-13. : 11:27 pm]
Pr0nogo -- You can't be miserable either. Sometimes it's a worthy trade. Sometimes the negatives heavily outweigh the positives and there's no path to improvement.
[2016-11-13. : 11:27 pm]
Moose -- Yes, but what about when you're daed? C|X^D
[2016-11-13. : 11:26 pm]
Lanthanide -- that's what dead means
[2016-11-13. : 11:26 pm]
Lanthanide -- you can't be happy when you're daed
[2016-11-13. : 11:26 pm]
Pr0nogo -- If death makes him happy, then yes.
[2016-11-13. : 11:26 pm]
Lanthanide -- and dead, apparently
[2016-11-13. : 11:26 pm]
Pr0nogo -- All I want, after everything that has happened between him and I, most of it negative, I just want him to be happy.
[2016-11-13. : 11:25 pm]
Lanthanide -- cleared for occupancy, that is
[2016-11-13. : 11:25 pm]
Lanthanide -- anyway, I'm off to work now, since the office has been cleared after the 7.5 magnitude earthquake we had this morning
[2016-11-13. : 11:25 pm]
Pr0nogo -- Despite what you may think I actually put a considerable amount of thought into my interactions with him BECAUSE I am familiar with his situation including his crippling depression and expired desire to live.
[2016-11-13. : 11:25 pm]
Moose -- "I think you're putting too much of a premium on his life." o boy
[2016-11-13. : 11:24 pm]
Lanthanide -- pronogo doesn't value human life
[2016-11-13. : 11:24 pm]
Pr0nogo -- I still want him to stay alive because i am selfish and enjoy consuming his content from time to time, but i recognise that he doesn't live just so I can occasionally be entertained.
[2016-11-13. : 11:23 pm]
Pr0nogo -- Because I have respect for who he is versus who he wants to be I understand his desire to end his life.
[2016-11-13. : 11:22 pm]
Pr0nogo -- I think you're putting too much of a premium on his life. He doesn't even want to live anymore. He has severe physical and mental disabilities or conditions that make it impossible to live his life the say he would envision. Not only is his mind a prisoner in his body, his fucking dreams are imprisoned in his mind because even that has limits that most of us couldn't even conceive of. If I were him I wouldn't have stayed alive as long as he has.
[2016-11-13. : 11:22 pm]
Moose -- Being reached out to could be discouraging. Who even knows?
[2016-11-13. : 11:22 pm]
Moose -- I think it's even more ambiguous.
[2016-11-13. : 11:18 pm]
Lanthanide -- even if that wasn't the intent
[2016-11-13. : 11:18 pm]
Lanthanide -- posting ambiguous messages that could actually encourage someone to end their life is not a good idea
[2016-11-13. : 11:17 pm]
Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707
Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I could see how it can be interpreted that way, I'll admit that. And I won't say Mesk couldn't use some help because he can. I'm just not convinced there's strictly one and only one way to interpret the post.
and that;s why it should be deleted
[2016-11-13. : 11:17 pm]
Moose -- I could see how it can be interpreted that way, I'll admit that. And I won't say Mesk couldn't use some help because he can. I'm just not convinced there's strictly one and only one way to interpret the post.
[2016-11-13. : 11:15 pm]
Lanthanide -- obviously a flawed analogy, but that's effectively what Pronogo has said
[2016-11-13. : 11:14 pm]
Lanthanide -- A; I'm addicted to drugs and I think they're ruining my life. B: ok, well next time you want to get high, I'll do it with you
[2016-11-13. : 11:14 pm]
Moose -- Pr0nogo shitposts a lot but for all our stupid arguing, at least Pr0nogo tried to reach out to him directly.
[2016-11-13. : 11:14 pm]
Moose -- But he told Mesk he would be missed and offered to hang out and have some fun with the dude.
[2016-11-13. : 11:13 pm]
Lanthanide -- in your mind*, cares about you*
[2016-11-13. : 11:13 pm]
Lanthanide -- so if you told someone you've known for a long time "i think I might kill myself" and their reply is "ok, well that's your choice", that really just confirms in their mind that no one cares about them
[2016-11-13. : 11:12 pm]
Pr0nogo -- I have been suicidal before and while I highly doubt I ever would again I would not be receptive at all to anybody trying to convince me of the value of a life that I had given up on.
[2016-11-13. : 11:11 pm]
Pr0nogo -- I would never oppose anyone's decision to end their life, but if I like them in my life I will certainly miss the impact they had on me when they die.
[2016-11-13. : 11:10 pm]
Pr0nogo -- I support his decision in the sense that I support his free will/freedom of choice. I said 'I'm sorry to see you go' because I want him to stay around.
[2016-11-13. : 11:02 pm]
Moose -- Are supporting and not opposing the same thing?
[2016-11-13. : 11:02 pm]
Lanthanide -- I'm not saying you have to make a post railing against it (which is why I haven't), but I am saying you shouldn't make posts supporting it
[2016-11-13. : 11:02 pm]
Lanthanide -- it's supporting
[2016-11-13. : 11:01 pm]
Moose -- I see more of a tone of acceptance than encouragement.
[2016-11-13. : 11:00 pm]
Lanthanide -- not leave the post up
[2016-11-13. : 11:00 pm]
Lanthanide -- and the correct course of action here is to delete the post, and argue about it in the moderator lounge afterwards
[2016-11-13. : 11:00 pm]
Lanthanide -- that's fine, and I would suggest that the cultural norm is that you don't encourage / support people in their intent to commit suicide
[2016-11-13. : 10:59 pm]
Excalibur -- Again I gotchu Lanth, but that's an argument to be had in the staff lounge between us mods and I think Cecil would lose. I could be wrong, but that's my take on it. Off to burgers.
[2016-11-13. : 10:58 pm]
Lanthanide -- letter*
[2016-11-13. : 10:58 pm]
Lanthanide -- you know, the whole "spirit of the law" vs "word of the law" business
[2016-11-13. : 10:57 pm]
Lanthanide -- also, I doubt the rules were written with the idea that someone would talk about commiting suicide in mind
[2016-11-13. : 10:57 pm]
Excalibur -- Anyway time to take part in my own personal method of suicide by ingesting only the foulest of food the world has to offer me and I personally am going to kill myself if I make it to 40. Because that's how I roll.
[2016-11-13. : 10:57 pm]
Lanthanide -- Don't be dense is sufficient
[2016-11-13. : 10:57 pm]
Excalibur -- I understand why Cecil deleted it but I don't think SEN's rules or terms back him in his decision.
[2016-11-13. : 10:56 pm]
Lanthanide -- or, you know, be cautious with someone who has said they want to commit suicide
[2016-11-13. : 10:56 pm]
Lanthanide -- seems that moderators aren't going to have consistent standards
[2016-11-13. : 10:56 pm]
Lanthanide -- Cecil didn't think it was appropriate either
[2016-11-13. : 10:56 pm]
Excalibur -- @Dem0n Hold on there stranger, this here be my home and a good 11 years of my life. @Lanth It may not seem appropriate to you but that's not relevant.

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