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[2021-8-31. : 3:32 am]  Ultraviolet -- amount of virus in their nasal passages as unvaccinated people. Part of the reason they're recommending masks for everybody. Anyway, like I said at the end of the topic, I don't want to argue this anymore. It's obvious I'm not going to convince you all and you're not going to convince me. I shouldn't have taken the initial bait, just hard not to respond to stuff about horse dewormer and whatnot. Annoying since it's used in humans just as much as livestock, just at much smaller dosages.[2021-8-31. : 3:28 am] Ultraviolet -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Ultraviolet I can't really take your word on mortality benefit since you lean so heavily on AFD, you'll have to be specific about which study/which figures you get that from, some of the trials data I'm looking at shows the opposite: 4 deaths in placebo, 2 in vaccine (none definitively connected to vaccine or placebo), but regardless, comparing vaccine vs placebo deaths is definitely incomplete in a way that you can't resolve in a generalized manner - you need to factor in the mortality of covid, your own chances of getting it with or without the vaccine, and the chances you'll have spread it before you're over it https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261159v1.supplementary-material Pfizer's 6 month safety and efficacy trial. They report in one place what percentage of study participants were obese, but it's not a part of the comorbidities index. There was only 1 participant who died of COVID in the vaccinated group and only 2 participants who died of COVID in the unvaccinated group. They didn't report comorbidities for either these or for people who fell seriously ill with COVID. That's important data to me, if only obese people or people with respiratory issues or other serious health issues fall seriously ill or die, then the vaccine isn't of benefit to me. No one has shown me a study proving the COVID vaccines are efficacious at reducing transmissibility. I'm not interested in trials that hint at effectiveness. I've seen the opposite btw, Fauci talking about people with breakthrough infections have the same[2021-8-31. : 3:01 am]  lil-Inferno -- doesn't matter how much you exercise, or how healthy you eat, nobody is immune to a disease they don't have the antibodies for[2021-8-31. : 3:00 am] lil-Inferno -- not sure why you think hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin are straight bussin' as treatments for covid just cuz some rando doctor (who is probably not your doctors and is just one outlier among many who advise against such things) said so but then don't trust (w/e I don't know your actual reasons) a vaccine that billions have received already and that governments worldwide have approved[2021-8-31. : 2:54 am] lil-Inferno -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: Wing Zero Vrael my shelf is stocked with HCQ (prescribed by a doctor for humans), Zinc, Vitamin D and Vitamin C, although the human formulations of Ivermectin are completely safe, people get sick because they ignorantly take livestock formulation but was it prescribed by your doctor for you 🤔[2021-8-31. : 2:38 am] Vrael -- I'd say "read and draw your own conclusions" but everyone should get the vaccine to help protect everyone else[2021-8-31. : 2:33 am] Vrael -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: Wing Zero Vrael my shelf is stocked with HCQ (prescribed by a doctor for humans), Zinc, Vitamin D and Vitamin C, although the human formulations of Ivermectin are completely safe, people get sick because they ignorantly take livestock formulation https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/[2021-8-31. : 1:23 am] jjf28 -- before you're over it or before you realize you have it*, not a negligible incubation period...[2021-8-31. : 1:14 am] jjf28 -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: jjf28 Debatable, the vaccine efficacy trials didn't study transmissibility. I read through Pfizer's trials and they were a piss poor example of a study. Didn't even include obesity as a comorbidity factor. And didn't show any mortality benefit (more people actually died in the vaccine group than the placebo group) I can't really take your word on mortality benefit since you lean so heavily on AFD, you'll have to be specific about which study/which figures you get that from, some of the trials data I'm looking at shows the opposite: 4 deaths in placebo, 2 in vaccine (none definitively connected to vaccine or placebo), but regardless, comparing vaccine vs placebo deaths is definitely incomplete in a way that you can't resolve in a generalized manner - you need to factor in the mortality of covid, your own chances of getting it with or without the vaccine, and the chances you'll have spread it before you're over it https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577?query=recirc_curatedRelated_article[2021-8-31. : 1:13 am] jjf28 -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: jjf28 Debatable, the vaccine efficacy trials didn't study transmissibility. I read through Pfizer's trials and they were a piss poor example of a study. Didn't even include obesity as a comorbidity factor. And didn't show any mortality benefit (more people actually died in the vaccine group than the placebo group) I don't really want to comment on study quality, I'm not a scientist nor a qualified public health official whose job it is to do meta analysis of hundreds of studies - but looking at obesity a little in phase2/3 data: they recorded BMI, they placed equal percentages of obese participants in test and control groups, I'm sure whatever analysis you're looking for concerning obesity is derivable (and probably done somewhere) if not directly spelled out in study conclusions[2021-8-31. : 1:13 am] jjf28 -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: jjf28 Debatable, the vaccine efficacy trials didn't study transmissibility. I read through Pfizer's trials and they were a piss poor example of a study. Didn't even include obesity as a comorbidity factor. And didn't show any mortality benefit (more people actually died in the vaccine group than the placebo group) afaik reducing transmissibility in people who still get the disease isn't usually the goal of vaccines, it's to prevent people who get the vaccine from getting the disease (thus lowering the r0 in the population and decreasing the spread) it's shown in many studies to have high efficacy/to do that quite well; however I grab a few studies - not part of the original trials and premature to use in arguments until they get through peer review and all - that hint that vaccines *also* reduce transmissibility (by decreasing viral load in some that looked at that specifically, by the numbers in another) in people who still get covid[2021-8-31. : 12:34 am] Ultraviolet -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Ultraviolet doesn't prevent spreading infection just like seatbelts don't prevent death in car accidents Debatable, the vaccine efficacy trials didn't study transmissibility. I read through Pfizer's trials and they were a piss poor example of a study. Didn't even include obesity as a comorbidity factor. And didn't show any mortality benefit (more people actually died in the vaccine group than the placebo group)[2021-8-31. : 12:32 am] Ultraviolet -- Wing ZeroWing Zero shouted: It's dewormer VraelVrael shouted: but horse tranquilizer is so delicious my shelf is stocked with HCQ (prescribed by a doctor for humans), Zinc, Vitamin D and Vitamin C, although the human formulations of Ivermectin are completely safe, people get sick because they ignorantly take livestock formulation[2021-8-31. : 12:31 am] jjf28 -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: Voyager7456 especially not with a vaccine that doesn't prevent spreading the infection doesn't prevent spreading infection just like seatbelts don't prevent death in car accidents if I get sick at least I'll know I'm sick and stay away from others[2021-8-31. : 12:30 am] Ultraviolet -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: who else was incentivized with being able to hang out with people and do stuff without (much) worry can you even though? still being instructed to wear a mask, not exactly a worry free hangout session imo[2021-8-31. : 12:30 am] Ultraviolet -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Ultraviolet yeah, can't draw you in with a sense of responsibility to others either xd especially not with a vaccine that doesn't prevent spreading the infection if I get sick at least I'll know I'm sick and stay away from others[2021-8-30. : 6:00 pm] NudeRaider -- LuigiLuigi shouted: NudeRaider SEN is very generous then. merely incentive to be productive[2021-8-30. : 5:54 pm] MTiger156 -- People who took the vaccine when it first released should be rewarded at least as much as people now  [2021-8-30. : 4:14 pm] lil-Inferno -- imagine the tipping point for your decision being a $2 donut or beer or w/e lmao[2021-8-30. : 3:43 pm] lil-Inferno -- who else was incentivized with being able to hang out with people and do stuff without (much) worry[2021-8-30. : 1:38 pm] Voyager7456 -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: Voyager7456 lol you're as bad as the places offering donuts or a hamburger or a joint to get vaccinated. Can't draw me in with a token prize yeah, can't draw you in with a sense of responsibility to others either xd [2021-8-30. : 12:35 pm] Ultraviolet -- MooseMoose shouted: sometimes the incentives are so good areas are over 100% vaccinated xd I heard about some chick who was addicted to getting vaccines smh, running around getting J&J, Moderna, Pfizer all of 'em[2021-8-30. : 12:25 pm]  Moose -- sometimes the incentives are so good areas are over 100% vaccinated xd[2021-8-30. : 2:37 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- i want a bribe or incentive, I just sort of did it because my age group was set to be available[2021-8-30. : 2:36 am] Ultraviolet -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: fuck, i should've gotten a donut with my vaccine at the clinic my mom works at, they offer even better bribes. $100 for getting vaccinated, $25 for driving someone to receive a vaccination [2021-8-30. : 12:40 am] Ultraviolet -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: I'll give you minerals to get vaccinated lol you're as bad as the places offering donuts or a hamburger or a joint to get vaccinated. Can't draw me in with a token prize [2021-8-29. : 7:29 pm] Luigi -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: you get minerals for posting SEN is very generous then.[2021-8-29. : 4:13 pm] Voyager7456 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Ultraviolet very biased, we never give anyone minerals speak for yourself, I give out minerals in the modding forums [2021-8-29. : 4:08 pm] jjf28 -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: mods are biased, I never get anything very biased, we never give anyone minerals [2021-8-29. : 11:21 am] C(a)HeK -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: make a significant contribution to the community and staff might reward you with a bunch manually what kind of "significant contribution"?[2021-8-29. : 7:47 am] NudeRaider -- make a significant contribution to the community and staff might reward you with a bunch manually[2021-8-28. : 10:39 pm] Luigi -- For some mysterious reason I'm getting more minerals in my account, which is more than welcome. I started with -150, I think. I'm not harvesting any ;([2021-8-28. : 4:34 pm] Ultraviolet -- yeah.. unfortunately have to choose. I was always used to normal unit limits anyway, so going with EUDs seemed like an easy choice to me[2021-8-28. : 9:49 am] DankBudSmoker -- nvm got my answer, no euds with extended unit limits. not going to happen.[2021-8-28. : 9:42 am] DankBudSmoker -- can i add an eud hyper trigger to a map using only scmdraft 2[2021-8-28. : 8:52 am] NudeRaider -- yeah something like that. Something to make you feel insignificant.  [2021-8-28. : 7:07 am] NudeRaider -- Wasn't there a meme a while back that goes like "We're all on a rock speeding through nothingness"?[2021-8-27. : 5:39 pm] RdeRenato -- Andrea RosaAndrea Rosa shouted: Everybody wants birthday sex, but nobody wants the glaring reminder of their impending mortality. bro...[2021-8-27. : 3:10 pm] Andrea Rosa -- Everybody wants birthday sex, but nobody wants the glaring reminder of their impending mortality. |
