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[2021-9-02. : 3:22 pm]  Oh_Man -- So then what voy really should be saying is get to a hospital and let them decide if they have space for you or not[2021-9-02. : 3:19 pm]  Vrael -- hey don't you agree with me, the shoutbox is for disagreements you canadian spaceship[2021-9-02. : 3:18 pm] Vrael -- if enough people are saved such that there is no longer a scarcity of medical resources, then the anti-vaxxers can be saved[2021-9-02. : 3:17 pm] Vrael -- but if there were, the same logic would apply, and those who caused otherwise avoidable accidents should be saved last[2021-9-02. : 3:16 pm] Vrael -- there is no scarcity of medical resources in a single vehicle accident[2021-9-02. : 3:16 pm] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Ppl dont deserve to die just because they're stupid, ignorant, or made a wrong decision OK, but what you're saying then is that other people who are ill due to factors outside of their control deserve to die because their neighbours made a selfish decision[2021-9-02. : 3:16 pm] Vrael -- but they do deserve to pay for the consequences of their actions, and if the consequence of their action is a scarcity of medical resources, those scare resouces should be allocated to people who did not contribute to the scarcity[2021-9-02. : 3:15 pm] Oh_Man -- Ppl dont deserve to die just because they're stupid, ignorant, or made a wrong decision[2021-9-02. : 3:14 pm] Vrael -- essentially yes - since they have chosen a course of action which has resulted in a scarcity of medical resources, they ought to be the ones to pay for it[2021-9-02. : 3:13 pm] Oh_Man -- So u want him and presumably all anti vaxxers to not take up valuable icu space but instead die/be ill in isolation[2021-9-02. : 3:07 pm] Voyager7456 -- it's not about infecting others, it's about ICUs in the US being at full capacity resulting in people who need treatment being turned away[2021-9-02. : 3:06 pm] Oh_Man -- So if he gets sick u want him to die in isolation rather than go to hospital and potentially infect others?[2021-9-02. : 2:50 pm] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: u said if he gets sick he shouldn't go to hospital 🙄 I'm gonna reiterate it for you again, because u aint been readin all my comments, apparently - I don't want UV to die, but even more so I don't want other people to die because of his selfishness[2021-9-02. : 2:50 pm] lil-Inferno -- nahi t's okay he has plenty of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin on hand[2021-9-02. : 2:46 pm] Oh_Man -- yeah, and unless he's got a ventilator handy in his broom closet he's going to....[2021-9-02. : 2:41 pm] lil-Inferno -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Oh_Man brother, he's saying that since Ultraviolet chose to not get a vaccine that would be highly effective at preventing hospitalization, he should forfeit his right to use hospital resources if it came down to it in other words, live with the consequences of his actions[2021-9-02. : 2:40 pm] lil-Inferno -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: u said if he gets sick he shouldn't go to hospital 🙄 brother, he's saying that since Ultraviolet chose to not get a vaccine that would be highly effective at preventing hospitalization, he should forfeit his right to use hospital resources if it came down to it[2021-9-02. : 1:39 pm] lil-Inferno -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: lil-Inferno clearly u aint been readin voyagers comments u, unironically[2021-9-02. : 1:35 pm] lil-Inferno -- MooseMoose shouted: lil-Inferno which is why I'm curious about how much approximately transmissibility is decreased with the vaccine ... if it's not enough, then it may well be like the flu / forever barring draconian measures worldwide. Whether transmissibility is reduced post-vaccination or not, the goal is and always has been to not overload hospitals (Remember "two weeks to flatten the curve"?). Governments have based their restrictions (either introducing them or removing them) on hospitalization rate more than anything[2021-9-02. : 1:32 pm] lil-Inferno -- MooseMoose shouted: lil-Inferno It's $100 in some places tbh Still, I think it's been shown that incentives don't help anything. Maybe if they attached the stimmy checcs to getting vaccinated it might've done something[2021-9-02. : 3:13 am] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: lil-Inferno clearly u aint been readin voyagers comments Inferno is apparently the only one one who actually did read them instead of making up their own narrative[2021-9-02. : 3:07 am] Voyager7456 -- But that would mean not using hospital resources if you become sick, continuing to take measures to avoid transmission, not intentionally undermining lockdown measures, not actively spreading COVID misinformation, etc[2021-9-02. : 3:05 am] Voyager7456 -- If you want to be unvaccinated and take your chances, *and can do it in a way that doesn't harm others* then I don't feel like I have grounds to object[2021-9-02. : 3:00 am] Voyager7456 -- MooseMoose shouted: Voyager7456 Voyager7456 So is it okay to not get vaccinated if you live in an area with a robust hospital system that is far from overwhelmed or that it is at least a valid factor in a person's decision to not get vaccinated? (intentionally interpreted this way to feel out your position) depends on what you mean by "valid factors" - I don't think there's any rational reason not to get vaccinated (barring medical conditions), but it's a less objectionable decision that case[2021-9-02. : 2:53 am] Voyager7456 -- MooseMoose shouted: Voyager7456 Because someday there may be an issue where you may hold a position that society considers to be harmful or evil. someday? lmao[2021-9-02. : 2:39 am] Oh_Man -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Nobody wants you to die. Quite the opposite really clearly u aint been readin voyagers comments[2021-9-02. : 12:18 am]  Moose -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: The hospital system in many areas is completely overwhelmed by unvaccinated patients in critical condition, and the grim reality is that the overwhelming majority of those people will not recover Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: But of course, doctors are still trying to save them, even if it is likely hopeless. So they consume hospital resources and take up ICU beds, and the end result is that other people who need treatment don't end up getting it So is it okay to not get vaccinated if you live in an area with a robust hospital system that is far from overwhelmed or that it is at least a valid factor in a person's decision to not get vaccinated? (intentionally interpreted this way to feel out your position)[2021-9-02. : 12:08 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: FaRTy1billion prolly a 45k discount on medical expenses ... although on the other hand, I also have no insurance now so that's probably still a good thing[2021-9-02. : 12:03 am] Moose -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: my god I will never understand this mentality that we should tolerate harmful or evil positions as long as people word them nicely Because someday there may be an issue where you may hold a position that society considers to be harmful or evil.[2021-9-02. : 12:00 am] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: lil-Inferno Also worth noting that these requirements have been in place since like the 1800s exactly ... if COVID-19 had a 30% fatality rate among the infected and the vaccine had been around for 200 years, I'd imagine all but the most hardcore anti-vaxxers would have gotten the vaccine.[2021-9-02. : 12:00 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- except i was outside in crowded areas on sunday and then as I was eating a cookie realized I forgot to wash my hands first 😰[2021-9-01. : 11:58 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- but i'm now unemployed and doing school from home, i'm even more locked down and quarantined than I was during lockdown lmao[2021-9-01. : 11:57 pm] jjf28 -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Moose where do i cash in on having gotten my vaccine prolly a 45k discount on medical expenses [2021-9-01. : 11:57 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- MooseMoose shouted: lil-Inferno It's $100 in some places tbh where do i cash in on having gotten my vaccine [2021-9-01. : 11:56 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- MooseMoose shouted: Dem0n mad NudeRaider madder Dem0n even madder Dem0n madder still NudeRaider even more mad Voyager7456 maddest good point[2021-9-01. : 11:56 pm] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- MooseMoose shouted: should I bother putting any counterpoints to the mess in here lmao ya[2021-9-01. : 11:53 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: NudeRaider It's much larger than 15% here in the US, to the point that without forcing vaccinations or otherwise making life inconvenient for the unvaccinated, we won't reach herd immunity and this will last forever which is why I'm curious about how much approximately transmissibility is decreased with the vaccine ... if it's not enough, then it may well be like the flu / forever barring draconian measures worldwide.[2021-9-01. : 11:41 pm] Moose -- LuigiLuigi shouted: Ultraviolet Ivermectin is for treatment, not for prevention. Vaccines are for prevention and you need them either way. Hydroxychloroquine has not been proven effective against COVID. He said that he has HCQ, not that he's taking it for prevention. Or at all.[2021-9-01. : 11:34 pm] Moose -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: Voyager7456 especially not with a vaccine that doesn't prevent spreading the infection so before I get into this ... anyone actually have good data on transmissibility post-vaccination? My understanding is transmissibility after vaccination is greater than zero but less than transmissibility if not vaccinated. if I get sick at least I'll know I'm sick and stay away from others[2021-9-01. : 11:32 pm] Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: imagine the tipping point for your decision being a $2 donut or beer or w/e lmao It's $100 in some places tbh[2021-9-01. : 11:30 pm] Moose -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: who else just not retarded so they don't need an incentive mad NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: lil-Inferno ugh. I give up. Total misrepresentation of what I said. madder Dem0nDem0n shouted: UV is straight up spreading misinformation with his bullshit links in his thread. None of those articles are scientific or peer-reviewed, and they're all blatantly false and just fueling his confirmation bias. Fuck being respectful to morons like that. even madder Dem0nDem0n shouted: He's already made up his mind. No amount of respect will make him change it. Now I'm just letting him know he's a dumbass. madder still NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: which makes you the asshole even more mad Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: my god I will never understand this mentality that we should tolerate harmful or evil positions as long as people word them nicely maddest[2021-9-01. : 4:48 pm] Ultraviolet -- VraelVrael shouted: Ultraviolet uhh did you just assume my perverted pleasures?  [2021-9-01. : 3:46 pm] Vrael -- UltravioletUltraviolet shouted: jjf28 Well, I gotta find a way to take some of the fun out of it for ya. Burning a guy who volunteered to the stake isn't quite so satisfying uhh did you just assume my perverted pleasures? [2021-9-01. : 3:24 am] Ultraviolet -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: the sport is in the chase, sir Well, I gotta find a way to take some of the fun out of it for ya. Burning a guy who volunteered to the stake isn't quite so satisfying [2021-9-01. : 12:37 am] Ultraviolet -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: Alright folks, get your flamethrowers. It's genocide time! Burn down thousands of anti-vaxxers to save thousands of better lives. Think of the resources we would save as well I'll go ahead and set up the stake so you guys don't have to hunt me down [2021-8-31. : 10:32 pm] Vrael -- anyone who believes that thanos did nothing wrong crap, has obviously never heard him rap, oh snap?[2021-8-31. : 7:55 pm] KrayZee -- MTiger156MTiger156 shouted: Alright folks, get your flamethrowers. It's genocide time! Burn down thousands of anti-vaxxers to save thousands of better lives. Think of the resources we would save as well Okay Thanos[2021-8-31. : 7:53 pm] Vrael -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Vrael Don't really want to open a whole 'nother can of worms but suffice to say I disagree and think you just end up lending these things legitimacy well in the interest of fairness, I would cede that there are also times when being a bastard about it could be better than letting it go unchecked[2021-8-31. : 7:46 pm] MTiger156 -- Alright folks, get your flamethrowers. It's genocide time! Burn down thousands of anti-vaxxers to save thousands of better lives. Think of the resources we would save as well [2021-8-31. : 7:23 pm] Voyager7456 -- VraelVrael shouted: OR AM I!?!?! 'scool if you are, I don't really disagree[2021-8-31. : 7:23 pm] Voyager7456 -- VraelVrael shouted: Voyager7456 you can also reject those things without being such a bastard that the people who hold them just dig in more too though (not calling you a bastard specifically) Don't really want to open a whole 'nother can of worms but suffice to say I disagree and think you just end up lending these things legitimacy[2021-8-31. : 7:16 pm] Luigi -- ZycoraxZycorax shouted: Finland is pretty warm during the summer and it's only the northern parts that sometimes have extreme cold during the winter ;o I'm just too adapted to the hot place I live in. |
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