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[2017-2-25. : 1:45 pm]  Moose -- As for your actual sensitive data (financials, etc.), encrypt it. Step up paranoia by only keeping it on removable media that's only connected on an as-needed basis.[2017-2-25. : 1:43 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 if that VM has access to your Internet and your files I still don't see how your data is secure. If the VM can see the files of the host system, you have more serious problems LMAO[2017-2-25. : 1:42 pm]  IskatuMesk -- Like, I am a super heavy pirate. But I only download from private trackers and check the feedback (and feedback of the users giving feedback) to see if the release is safe. Never gotten burned once.[2017-2-25. : 1:42 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: If you want max paranoia, there are people who will actually sandbox their browsers and run them in VMs LMAO if that VM has access to your Internet and your files I still don't see how your data is secure.[2017-2-25. : 1:41 pm] IskatuMesk -- like what situation do you end up in that entails that. Do you get handed illegitimate files in a corporate environment? That sounds like legal grounds to me. Are you downloading programs from unreliable sources? User error, in that case.[2017-2-25. : 1:40 pm] Moose -- If you want max paranoia, there are people who will actually sandbox their browsers and run them in VMs LMAO[2017-2-25. : 1:40 pm] NudeRaider -- IskatuMeskIskatuMesk shouted: why are you running something with a virus, though. ... really? Do I need to explain to you how people find exploits in harmless applications to execute code?[2017-2-25. : 1:39 pm] NudeRaider -- but still... I am logged in, and are using my file system. Now something I run has a virus attached so it does have access to my files. And can use by browser to send stuff home, or do you need for every access root?[2017-2-25. : 1:36 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I thought the very concept was that root DOES NOT run these things? :confused: I mean you need root to START running those things (preferably as a secondary user) if and only if you actually want to be running them.[2017-2-25. : 1:35 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider NudeRaider By locking it down and only letting root open those things. C|X^D I thought the very concept was that root DOES NOT run these things? :confused:[2017-2-25. : 1:35 pm] IskatuMesk -- if malicious code exists on the computer then I've already done something stupid and deserve it[2017-2-25. : 1:34 pm] NudeRaider -- all you prevent is that the computer becomes unbootable, but as soon as user processes are started malicious code could override the ui and show you a ransom screen. Am I missing something?[2017-2-25. : 1:34 pm] IskatuMesk -- protecting my system comes from just being smart about what I actually do on the internet, making sure my router and everything is configured to prevent any third parties from accessing it.[2017-2-25. : 1:34 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: well when everything runs as user, including the file system, how does that protect your data? NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: or if a user can start network protocols and start sending out data By locking it down and only letting root open those things. C|X^D[2017-2-25. : 1:33 pm] IskatuMesk -- UAC caused me compatibility issues with programs, which is why I don't run it[2017-2-25. : 1:32 pm] NudeRaider -- or if a user can start network protocols and start sending out data[2017-2-25. : 1:31 pm] NudeRaider -- well when everything runs as user, including the file system, how does that protect your data?[2017-2-25. : 1:27 pm] NudeRaider -- I think that might stem from the attitude to tech you gotta have if you decide to use apple products. They probably think Apple will take care for every problem for them because they are guiding their hands in 1000s of other issues.[2017-2-25. : 1:26 pm] IskatuMesk -- meanwhile my momentary bout with linux made me cringe about my limited options should I ever actually update my hardware... ugh.[2017-2-25. : 1:25 pm] IskatuMesk -- Although I don't really believe anyone who actually uses a mac would care if they had a virus or not... they probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between encryption ransomware and everyday[2017-2-25. : 1:25 pm] IskatuMesk -- I would dig up some logs if I were so inclined, but I am not. There are some that when they show up end up getting ignored for months at a time because it would damage reputation to acknowledge them[2017-2-25. : 1:24 pm] NudeRaider -- IskatuMeskIskatuMesk shouted: true. But being on a mac is like not only asking to get murdered, but also chain smoking and drinking to speed up the process I must admit I'm not familiar with the threats to MACs[2017-2-25. : 1:23 pm] IskatuMesk -- true. But being on a mac is like not only asking to get murdered, but also chain smoking and drinking to speed up the process[2017-2-25. : 1:23 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: brain.exe is the first program that should ever be run, and never be turned off Nah, init imo [2017-2-25. : 1:22 pm] NudeRaider -- there are many people who are murderers... doesn't mean you get murdered by them.[2017-2-25. : 1:22 pm] IskatuMesk -- it's like how Blizzard invited d2 to get destroyed by claiming it was "unhackable"[2017-2-25. : 1:22 pm] IskatuMesk -- there are many people who write malware for mac eclusively because of that attitude[2017-2-25. : 1:22 pm] IskatuMesk -- and the malware that do targets them tends to be rampant and ignored[2017-2-25. : 1:21 pm] NudeRaider -- most existing malware simply doesn't work on them. IskatuMeskIskatuMesk shouted: less targeted =! secure idd[2017-2-25. : 1:21 pm] IskatuMesk -- it just means there is less attention, which in turn makes vulnerabilities that do exist more dangerous[2017-2-25. : 1:21 pm] NudeRaider -- IskatuMeskIskatuMesk shouted: I get astonished that people still think macs are secure it's because they are, in fact, less targeted[2017-2-25. : 1:20 pm] NudeRaider -- IskatuMeskIskatuMesk shouted: or how many people click that random link without context from someone that hasn't talked to them in 2-3 years on a service like skype  classic[2017-2-25. : 1:20 pm] IskatuMesk -- or the amount of people who use google docs and get their entire company network encrypted by ransomware[2017-2-25. : 1:20 pm] IskatuMesk -- or how many people click that random link without context from someone that hasn't talked to them in 2-3 years on a service like skype[2017-2-25. : 1:19 pm] IskatuMesk -- yet you'd be astonished at how many people don't realize google ads are a ridiculous security threat[2017-2-25. : 1:19 pm] NudeRaider -- brain.exe is the first program that should ever be run, and never be turned off [2017-2-25. : 1:18 pm] IskatuMesk -- Noscript and Ublock Origin on white list mode are a good start. But it's also just not going to sites you know to be associated with data mining corporations.[2017-2-25. : 1:17 pm] IskatuMesk -- you simply watch out for things that are likely security threats. Like Steam, for example. It uses chrome. You can get rooted through its browser very easily.[2017-2-25. : 1:16 pm] IskatuMesk -- I don't need to be familiar with any given shill to have a shred of common security sense[2017-2-25. : 1:15 pm] NudeRaider -- that doesn't make it a better idea. Anecdotal evidence. I suggest you read expert articles on it if you don't believe me.[2017-2-25. : 1:15 pm] IskatuMesk -- If you have security problems, you need to 1 - stop using shady sites like facebook, 2 - stop using shitty malware-infested/equivalent software like Chrome and garbage that uses Securom[2017-2-25. : 1:14 pm] IskatuMesk -- I have never used UAC, virus scan once a year tops, and haven't had a virus in 15 years.[2017-2-25. : 1:12 pm] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: NudeRaider this is also dumb, having to enter passwords or click 5 extra buttons every time I run a program is not the same as unlocking a lock indeed. That's why UAC was improved since Vista to reduce it to a single click.[2017-2-25. : 1:10 pm]  Pr0nogo -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: It's like when the lock to your house can only be moved with difficulty, you proceed to remove all locks. Sure your problem is solved... this is also dumb, having to enter passwords or click 5 extra buttons every time I run a program is not the same as unlocking a lock[2017-2-25. : 1:10 pm] NudeRaider -- The more reasonable course of action is, to understand how it works and try not to use it for things that do not work well with it.[2017-2-25. : 1:08 pm] NudeRaider -- that's an entirely different protection mechanism. One cannot replace the other. |
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