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(2)Shining Cavern
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Feb 11 2010, 11:08 am
By: Lord Malvanis  

Feb 11 2010, 11:08 am Lord Malvanis Post #1



Okay, ignoring my previous joke map, this is one I actually put some time into. It's probably horrible to you guys, but until my skill improves idrc.

Players: 2
Terrain: Badlands
Name: Shining Cavern
Concept: Having players use tactical strategies in order to defeat the enemy, and be able to spread to more expos. Mostly conquest/map dominance. Lots of minerals. Kinda bland? Yes. It's a plain cavern with abundant resources.
Comments: Shiny.



Once again, bash all you like. I'm going to fix the high dirt area above the gas only expo below player 1's base, I forgot to edit that out. If you can see, I did my best to take out any high dirt tank drop areas for the sake of other races. I also tried to non-linear as much as I could, considering there's a number of ways to go.



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Feb 11 2010, 12:04 pm Super Duper Post #2



The tightness of this map is the main problem. In fact, it is so much of a problem the map probably has to be scrapped. :-(



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Feb 11 2010, 1:07 pm Lord Malvanis Post #3



I don't see how its so 'tight'. I actually made this open, if I wanted it to be tight it would be much, much, smaller.



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Feb 11 2010, 2:12 pm Aristocrat Post #4



Blue's main is a bit cramped and red has no defensible natural.

The "tightness" refers to the paths between bases; it's labyrinth-like, which pisses players off. Terrans can't push, Dragoons start getting confused, etc. This is very, very zerg OP, but depending on timing/wallability protoss can counter with 2base carriers which is very strong on this map.

EDIT> Way too many island expansions and a ton of minerals can't be reached. This is definitely Zerg OP since mutalisk micro can dominate the scene. TvP the protoss will win unless the terran pulls a Boxer build and pumps wraiths to counter carriers. Rush distance is HUGE. Terran has a scouting advantage versus protoss, but mech army too immobile on this map.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Feb 11 2010, 2:21 pm by doomedrusher.



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Feb 11 2010, 2:47 pm Gigins Post #5



Add more starting location and I'm going to play this again comps. :D



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Feb 11 2010, 5:26 pm BeDazed Post #6



Your maps show how much you understand Melee. If you had the slightest idea in how to play StarCraft properly- and what this forum is really about, then you shouldn't even have bothered posting.



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Feb 11 2010, 7:54 pm Super Duper Post #7



Quote from Lord Malvanis
I don't see how its so 'tight'. I actually made this open, if I wanted it to be tight it would be much, much, smaller.
It is VERY tight.


@doomrusher Eh, I think its a terran map. Terran can just bottleneck the tight chokes.
Oh, and I can name 100 more imbalances about this map, but the tightness takes the cake.
EDIT: Just realized, player 2 has a nat but player 1 doesnt. THAT maybe the biggest imbalance, but I dont know :/
DUBBLE EDIT: I made this post without reading all the other posts, so yeah, I kinda repeated what doomrusher said :P



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Feb 11 2010, 8:26 pm Pr0nogo Post #8



NO GAS RULE :hurr:

But yeah, what they said.




Feb 11 2010, 11:27 pm Super Duper Post #9



Actually, I just realized something...

When we bash your map(s), by NO means should you quit melee mapping. If you keep trying, eventually you will get it.



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Feb 12 2010, 2:20 am UnholyUrine Post #10



this isn't an RPG O.O...



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Feb 12 2010, 3:47 am Lord Malvanis Post #11



@Ciara , I will never quit melee mapping, right now I just enjoy not following the guide and using my random creativity to give people something to bash/yell at.



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Feb 12 2010, 10:13 pm ManaShield(Radiant) Post #12



^You know they are all just drones who use the same thing over and over in all of their maps :-/



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Feb 13 2010, 12:03 am Lord Malvanis Post #13



I already know nobody will appreciate it Dem0nS1ayer, because every insult anyone makes at this map doesn't bother me at all. If you were intelligent and didn't appreciate this, then why waste your time commenting on it? Everything anyone has to say is text on my moniter. Text doesn't hurt emotionally, physically, or mentally. The only reason I'm actually responding to you is because of your unnecessary insult.



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Feb 13 2010, 12:04 am Super Duper Post #14



Wait, wait, wait. When did we insult you? :|



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Feb 13 2010, 12:06 am Lord Malvanis Post #15



That was regarding Dem0nS1layer, Ciara. Not you, you're fine.



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Feb 13 2010, 12:07 am Super Duper Post #16



Quote
because every insult anyone makes at this map doesn't bother me at all.
Eh, seems like you were talking about everyone in this thread.



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Feb 13 2010, 12:08 am Lord Malvanis Post #17



That was just to exaggerate my comment. Nobody here besides Dem0nS1ayer has had a serious problem thus far. What he said wasn't necessary and should have been kept to himself. I don't care if you point out everything possibly wrong with the map, but don't you dare spit out random insults at it. <- (That last part isn't directed towards anyone.)



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Feb 13 2010, 12:34 am BeDazed Post #18



Do you mean to imply, you will not follow rules purposefully, and not because you didn't read them- but because you enjoy being bashed at?



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Feb 13 2010, 12:42 am Lord Malvanis Post #19



Yes, BeDazed, That was the point of the last two maps I posted here. ((Including this as the second.))



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Feb 13 2010, 12:53 am Super Duper Post #20



So you are purposely provoking us? :???:



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NudeRaider -- Oh_Man
Oh_Man shouted: NudeRaider yeh thts straight up cheating
the mutas yes, the wraiths probably not. Have you even watched the video? ;)
[12:56 pm]
Oh_Man -- NudeRaider
NudeRaider shouted: Oh_Man Artosis hasn't caught on how devastating the perfect focus fire is. With the mutas he was like "the Mutas always seem to have less hp than against a human". But he didn't notice that the flock he had selected always just had one muta that was hurt. Same with the wraiths here. He's talking about how valks+wraith is gonna destroy Pluto's valks, then 5s later he's dumbfounded the human player's air is just gone and he never figured out why. And for some reason didn't even think to go back and look at the battle.
yeh thts straight up cheating
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Oh_Man -- arty's done another vid. he's also announced he's going to organise showmatches with pro, with NO maphacks, so we can see its actual capabilities
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NimoStar -- It can by playing the same map thousands of times. It is similar to AI speedrunning games
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Symmetry -- I dreamed about that as a kid. The idea of a computer capable of analyzing a starcraft map and calculating the fastest possible way to hit the victory condition
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