But I didn't just randomly decide the Cylons won. It is as simple as every move the Crew made went through Roy and Stacy Keibler. It would have been impossible for the Crew to win. The game wasn't decided partially because he stopped submitting actions, that was just an example of how an extra cycle wouldn't have changed anything. The past two Nights, Dem0n said he'd hit someone or use Paranoia and didn't. Roy and Stacy Keibler planned each night based on what Dem0n was going to do. If either of them was told of Dem0n's or ray's plans, they would have countered everything to either prevent Cylon deaths or force a Crew death.

Now had I not been included on those PMs, I wouldn't have ended the game as I did. But because I was privy to all that, it seemed unnecessary to keep this going.

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Is that a death threat!? WELCOME TO THE VOID!

As a host, it's impossible for you to know what all the players are all up to all the time. It's the most common complaint of hosts: they get tunnel vision because the only information they have is what the players choose to communicate to them.

It seemed unnecessary to you, but now we'll never actually know.

This is why it's good in games to have a fair, reasonable, objective baseline for winning. Like the current victory condition


Lmao

Just gotta say, next time I call someone out who's acting like Vrael did, I better get some damn lynch on said person. Basically everyone agreed Aristocrat had been mafia (my bad, Aris ), Vrael tries for lynch #2 and instantly gets a bandwagon. Just like the last time that he attempted. Seriously, that was what made it clear town would lose. Stupidity is the Mafia's greatest ally.

Also, Demon, I told you who the mafia were. Thank you for doing the stupid thing and not using your power when they know you're going to rig yourself going inactive at night.

Az, I mean to say in official SEN Mafias, back in the day. I like basing the victory condition on number of alive players on each faction. This rule is immune to people like you that just annoy everyone for the sake of discussing who knows what. Also KISS.
And now gtfo of our thread. thx.

No. Dead players can't win. But your faction won. You may cheer them now.

This. I got enough information from Vrael to take over as a hub, but I had set my mind to trust him because the chance of him getting cleared and tested the same night when he wasn't seemingly involved into the game were so slim. Basically I decided I'm going to ignore the rest risk because with my role I had to trust someone.
So ironic that the 2 people I chose to work with were both mafia. QQ

The fact that action results remain unknown.

This.

Then don't make the rule in the first place, and just be careful what you explain. And when.
Btw. I realized Roy could be mafia when you shouted that you find the current mafia game pretty lulzy (or something along those lines). As a host please keep comments like these to yourself.

I meant that you changed from the old and crystal clear victory condition from official SEN Mafias (Mafia numbers equaling or surpassing those of town) to something bound to potential votes, which is infitely more complicated and can be argued, as Az gladly did. When I typed my post it seemed to me that you used that old victory condition when you ended the game, but that's already been discussed and proven false in the following posts.

Yeah Six doesn't kill people in BSG, but she seduces Baltar. So Six shoud've been the Seductress, not a hitwoman. Lrn2BSG, DevliN

Oh and one question haunts me since the beginning of the game:
Did anyone realize that my avatar depicts a some medic in from the BSG reimagined series?
As soon as I got my role I googled a picture of a random doctor and made it my avatar so that people who were interested could guess my role.

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I was purposely not voting, I was in this thread all the time. Kind of surprised no one brought it up. I rarely voted because that's the easiest way to not bring attention to myself, and my role as Seductress relied on no attention (jailing). I don't understand why you're so adamant about me being inactive and that the town could have won. We had a completely unstoppable plan that Devlin was well aware of due to our shared PMs. It would've been pointless to continue the game.

Ugh I despise everything about how that it spelled.

Ding ding! I was waiting for TiKels to vote so I could quickly vote with him for no explanation.

Sorry.

The fact of the matter is that every single Cylon played incredibly well, and almost entirely through social manipulation, exactly as mafia should be played. I stayed out of the limelight until my lack of action brought me into it, with perfect timing to frame TiKels even more. Stacy of course became the hub of the town and learned everyone's roles. All the other Cylons just played very, very well. Congratulations, friends.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 15 2012, 5:59 pm by BiOAtK. Reason: i <3 TiKels

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What was up with Kame whispering something to a guard before she died? I used that to say she was the Mole, but that obviously wasn't true.

Aristocrat was a martyr. With his death, we were able to shake most concerns of someone else being a Traitor (nobody considered there being more than 1 Traitor, after all).

Imprisoning Stacy would have let Bio influence Ray to imprison Demon. It would have been the preferred thing for us if you didn't imprison Bio, because then the Vigilante is completely shut down.

And I think most people could have taken over as hub towards the last cycle. I don't know if Ray knew the Doctor, but other than that, everyone seemed pretty well connected to everyone except, well, TiKels. That was kind of the idea to get him lynched.

To be fair, I was a townie before I was mafia.

No, I didn't. I did point out your avatar during a clue interpretation post (I thought the frequent mention of stars to mean actors would have been a brilliant clue), though.

I was just kidding.

I agree that our team did a great job. There were a number of points where we would have looked suspicious to defend one another, but we managed to shelf suspicions or replace them with greater (and false) ones.

To be fair, the capitalization in both your names doesn't seem to follow a distinct pattern (except that Bio's is symmetrical). I pretend that TiKels is like those names that has a prefix-like thing at the beginning, like LeBron or McKenzy.

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The fact of the matter is that every single Cylon played incredibly well, and almost entirely through social manipulation, exactly as mafia should be played. I stayed out of the limelight until my lack of action brought me into it, with perfect timing to frame TiKels even more. Stacy of course became the hub of the town and learned everyone's roles. All the other Cylons just played very, very well. Congratulations, friends.

Actually, considering I called out every mafia, save Roy, I feel that the town was simply apathetic, stupid, or both. Anyone could see what was going on, especially when you guys try to flash bandwagon me. Simply put, the fact that nobody noticed or cared who was mafia wasn't due to your skill, it was due to the town's own stupidity.

@Nude, I assumed your character was from bsg but since I have never seen it I didn't know what.

So if you knew all the Cylons for sure, and you guys lost. . .

I don't really follow what the issue is, though. I was consistent with sending my actions results out to those who were supposed to receive them. I've never heard of a Mafia game giving results for hits, saves, etc.

I think you may have misunderstood that shout. Unless I'm not remembering correctly, I made a joke that there were no Cylons in the game and that I was killing people at random. I don't recall ever referencing this game in any seriousness other than making silly jokes like that. I may have also said that every player was a Vigilante at one point, or someone else did.

Yeah Six doesn't kill people in BSG, but she seduces Baltar. So Six shoud've been the Seductress, not a hitwoman. Lrn2BSG, DevliN [/quote]
Six killed plenty of people on BSG, and I didn't want it to be the same models as last time. I made the seductress D'Anna (or number three) this time because frankly Xena is hot.

Nothing really. I don't remember why I wrote that. That was one of a handful of things I included for fun.

I whispered "Rosebud." The next mafia devlin is going to host is going to be on a quest for a sled

Bad wording on my part. I meant that there's no information when something happened to you. E.g. "You got jailed", "You got seduced and have no idea what you did last night", "You got blown up when you entered X's house." Stuff like that.

Yes I saw those jokes as well. Don't know if I'd call it particularly professional, but at least I saw no harm in them as they were clearly jokes.
I can't be sure if the line I'm talking about stood in any relationship to the above or not, or was even shouted about the same time, but I know I perceived it as an unrelated general statement. IIRC you said it's one of your more interesting/funny/lulzy/whatever Mafia games.
Anyways I interpreted it as a comment of the state of the game, so I realized there must be more going on than just a hibernating mafia faction being weeded out by the town hub. Intentionally or not, your comment changed the game.
Despite me arguing this so adamantly I want to let you know that I regard it as peanuts. Just something to consider.

I can't remember how many people Caprica Six (the one that kept seducing Baltar) personally killed, but in the series she was always known for her feminine charms rather than her kill count, as evident by her Wiki entry:

Why not? Something wrong about the official lore?

Yeah I see where you're coming from. Xena definitely was hot. But imo she's too old for a sex symbol already. She's still a MILF though.

Ignoring your unprovoked flaming,


I can't speak for most of that, since action confirmation can vary a lot from game to game (in my game, I informed a player if their night action failed, but not necessarily the reason).

However, for the last example, it's considered an extremely bad hosting practice to reveal any information to a player who dies the same cycle.

The main reason is, the player is now dead, so they have no use for that information. The only thing they could do with it is share it with people who are still playing, which is against the rules.

I've never actually seen a host give information to a dead player (aside from the fact they died, sometimes), and I genuinely hope I never do.

Sorry for killing you, Kame.
Can't believe all those clues I found against you were pure bs.

I can If you remember Aristo's game, when I was mafia, a lot of the clues Raccoon "found" were com.plete BS. People just want me dead.

There was no flaming to begin with. Being rude != flaming. And it wasn't unprovoked.

Which is fine for games built around little information. I still dislike it. Anyways, we didn't even get that.

Np. Change my example to "You died while entering your target's building". You don't necessarily know what killed you, but following real life logic you should "know" up until which point you've been alive. But since I was never killed that game I don't even know which information was revealed by DevliN. Probably he just announced it in the Day post, which is meh, but acceptable.

Az, I got an idea for you: A game where nobody knows who's dead and who's alive.

No one likes them anarcho-syndicalists, right?

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Following real life logic, once you're dead you shouldn't know anything

In your example, telling them that would mean they weren't seduced or imprisoned. It would give them information that, as a dead player, they shouldn't have; they have no use for it, except sharing it with people who are still alive, which is against the rules.

The circumstances of a death are always either reported publicly or not at all. Dead players never receive private information about the circumstances of their death.


I'm not sure what standard you're going by. Just announcing deaths in the Day post is the norm.

I sent a PM to people informing them they were dead, but that was largely because they weren't allowed to post in the thread after death, and I needed to ensure they knew not to




Well, that's how TKG works, although it's possible depending on the circumstances to confirm someone is dead. TKG does work on the logic that you see everything up until your death, mainly because people aren't automatically confirmed as being dead, and the killer is well-equipped to both obfuscate the circumstances of death to the person who died, and to prevent people from being confirmed as dead in the first place.

In a Mafia game, if you didn't know who was alive or dead the whole time, Mafia would be at a significant advantage It'd probably need to be like a 1:10 Mafia to Town ratio lol. I'm imagining a Mafia knowing they died from a Vig kill (because their night hits stop working) and then baiting a lynch to protect whoever they're working with.

syndi...what?