yah, i've been doing pretty well as blacksmith, me and two pubs went 8-0, we were blacksmith, thunder, and hammer, against glac, nighthound, n keeper... I got an eye mad early so we cud see nghthound and ganked him constantly, all while mad stunning them n stuff. I had 4 of our kills.

God we need to try that in a SEN game....

Personally I would prefer Tortuter in there instead of Valk. Tree will just stealth himself, go in, ultimate. Tortuer comes in with his ultimate, Slither comes in with his ult, Tempest comes in and ults, Magmus comes and ults.

You have no carries though -- Magmus and Torturer and KotF can semi-carry if they manage enough ganks though. The only real way you can win is if the enemy team left early because of demoralization and they have no Heroes that can outlast such a team.

nah, its much easier with valk, since then everyone can kill with no dmg, whereas if tree ults, he's more likely to miss than tempest, and when tempest ults, he brings everyone right in... plus torts ult doesnt do much dps, whereas alk could still call, and prolly do more damage than tort.

What do you mean it doesn't do that much damage? His ultimate does 144 dps without staff of the master, 170 with. The fact that it never ends until his mana does is also good, I would rather have Tort in a team fight than Valk. Give him ten seconds and he's done more damage than any of them.

i rather just have tempest+refresher with chronos

And how viable is that "never log on" Thuy? Those ultimates really don't syngerize well either though, does the ult stop in the chrono field?

yeah but having a fully invised team is a better way to set it up... and torturer does magic damage, so by that point, he prolly is doing around 70-80 dps, which doesnt always help that much, especially when the fight is only gonna last 4 seconds lol.

80 dps? what are you talking about? Let's be generous, and say magic reduction is 30% without any sort of magic armor. I'm not sure if that is the exact numbers, but close enough. Taking 30% off of 140 dps is 98 dps, taking 30% off of 177 dps is 123.9 dps. I'm not sure how you're coming up with these ridiculous numbers. You also forget to realize all the other heroes magic damage is reduced. Torturer will do more damage than Magnus, Keeper, Tempest and maybe Slither over a period of at least 8+ seconds. This is all disregarding his three other active skills. Please don't try to disregard how good Torturer is good in team fights because you've never seen an effective one. Yes, Magnus is good early game with his stun + ult, but once heroes start hitting 1500+ hp, he can't really one shot them anymore, while Torturer just get stronger as the game goes on. Though he lacks the mass disable of Keeper or Tempest, I would take him over Slither or Magnus anyday.

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Depends on the Ult. Magmus's ult won't stop if it starts casting for anything (including him dying) but Tempest's is a true channel so it will stop, and Slither/Tree are both just casts so they can't be "stopped" anyway.

Also, you guys are all forgetting that Tree can just invis the entire team.

where are you getting 177 dps from ultimo? torts does 144 at max lvl...

any way, either one would be a fucking badass combo.... and i just keep liking blacksmith more and more, 4x multicasted a tempest today while he was in fountain lmao.

The point of having tempest with chronos, is that it stacks all the enemy together so chronos can just bash at them. Considering he's one of the few carries that uses elder parasite the damage from his items will own any damage from spell casters in terms of DPS. With the refresher and chronos ult, that adds up to... 11-13 seconds of smashing!

After tempest's ult the chronos can just pop his ult up, best if he places it so the enemy is right on the edge of his ult so other allies can attack too.
And throughout that whole time, tempest meteor does 6% of enemy current hp so that's guranteed genocide if pulled off correctly!

And neki you and I have done this combo before

lol, I don't remember the last time you were Chronos and I was Tempest though. I guess it'd be decent, but if you'd want maximum damage, you'd get Hammerstorm with his ultimate and cleave, it would own the heroes! Actually, anyone with cleave would really hurt them during the tempest ult.

I perfer chronos cause of his ult , so anyone on right now?

Can't play much on weekend cause of my girlfriend :{
BUT THE WEEKEND IS OVER LETS PLAY!

Staff of the Master

chronus's ultimate is annoying cause it stops ur allies too.
also, if you pull off the massive ultimate gank when all you are and all the enemies are only level 6, then ur ultimates wont be as powerful, but ur enemies wont be as strong either. i think even if the things did work, it would pwn all 5 level 6's.

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