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[2017-7-03. : 2:05 am]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- will it break the URL if I put a zero-width nonbreaking space? xD[2017-7-03. : 2:02 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- how do I stop MS word from breaking my URL apart because there's a -? it broke it at a really bad place[2017-7-03. : 1:51 am]  Dem0n -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: lord of the rings, tbh if only[2017-7-02. : 10:42 pm]  Voyager7456 -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: Ya I never wrote a 'PostNews()' function for my site, so I always have to add entries to the database manually Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: That has gotta be secure ! Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I mean, technically not having a frontend decreases your attack surface LMAO lmao[2017-7-02. : 10:42 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- 20-25gb is just datafiles from mass specs I parked on my server once[2017-7-02. : 10:41 pm] Moose -- I mean, technically not having a frontend decreases your attack surface LMAO[2017-7-02. : 10:30 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Ya I never wrote a 'PostNews()' function for my site, so I always have to add entries to the database manually[2017-7-02. : 10:21 pm] Moose -- Yeah, SEN gets that, too. Scripts/bots looking for vulnerabilities will check for common pages like that on all sites they can.[2017-7-02. : 10:17 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Too bad the site is older than wordpress and thus isn't vulnerable ![2017-7-02. : 10:17 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- LOL. Most common 404 URL for my site: /wp-login.php; followed by wp-admin, wordpress, wp, etc[2017-7-02. : 9:38 pm] NudeRaider -- btw. I have no idea how this NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I can only repeat myself: He wasn't using his nat during the majority of the attack, anyway. AND he was losing units left and right. How can it be worse to still not mine, but build up an army and still have the tools to get your nat back up as soon as the situation is under control? was relevant to this Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider Up 1 or 2 base early game because he delayed or didn't build a CC or because he lost/was forced to lift a CC? I think these situations may be more different than you appreciate, even though the CC/Hatchery counts look the same. ... I need to sleep -.-[2017-7-02. : 9:37 pm] Moose -- It's also worth mentioning that the map might be a factor. The mains have a power generator on the side which can get busted open. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/commons/images/5/56/Benzene.jpg[2017-7-02. : 9:34 pm] NudeRaider -- I can only repeat myself: He wasn't using his nat during the majority of the attack, anyway. AND he was losing units left and right. How can it be worse to still not mine, but build up an army and still have the tools to get your nat back up as soon as the situation is under control?[2017-7-02. : 9:30 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I'm talking mainly fromt he perspective of having seen games of Flash doing amazing against Zerg that have 1 or 2 bases more than him. Up 1 or 2 base early game because he delayed or didn't build a CC or because he lost/was forced to lift a CC? I think these situations may be more different than you appreciate, even though the CC/Hatchery counts look the same.[2017-7-02. : 9:29 pm] NudeRaider -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I noticed that too. I was like "not a God afterall, eh?" although other times he has such an incredible game sense. Just from what he DOESN'T see he figures out timing and perfect counter strat finishing it the last second. [2017-7-02. : 9:28 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Also, the announcers are helpful. "He saw the Hydras he can get his bunkers now" *still working on Barracks 3 & 4* one minute later "he's gotta get some bunkers" LMAO I noticed that too. I was like "not a God afterall, eh?" [2017-7-02. : 9:27 pm] NudeRaider -- I'm talking mainly fromt he perspective of having seen games of Flash doing amazing against Zerg that have 1 or 2 bases more than him.[2017-7-02. : 9:27 pm] Moose -- Also, the announcers are helpful. "He saw the Hydras he can get his bunkers now" *still working on Barracks 3 & 4* one minute later "he's gotta get some bunkers" LMAO[2017-7-02. : 9:25 pm] NudeRaider -- ya P player myself (not that I'm playing anymore, but when I did). It's the simplest race imo. Favors low APM. Perfect for a scrub like me.#[2017-7-02. : 9:23 pm] Moose -- Also worth mentioning that I'm a P player and not even a very good one at that LMAO[2017-7-02. : 9:22 pm] NudeRaider -- We can't make the replay, but we could make a map that has the exact unit placement  [2017-7-02. : 9:20 pm] Moose -- The early CC with slower units/bunker made it a bit of a fragile matchup. Like you said, we only got to see one play out, so we don't know. This is the kind of thing you would take a save of and play out 30 times to actually know LMAO[2017-7-02. : 9:18 pm] NudeRaider -- okay. Fair enough. I was asking why I was wrong. I still have my doubts, but I got what I asked for. [2017-7-02. : 9:16 pm] Moose -- I don't think it is stronger, because Z is only going to get stronger while T builds up the army to retake the nat. Since T invested so much in getting the nat in the first place, he sort of forces himself into going big or going home.[2017-7-02. : 9:16 pm] NudeRaider -- but if I understand you correctly you say, his pro sense told him that retreat = definitely defeat, but maybe hadn't the same sense for trying to hold on?[2017-7-02. : 9:14 pm] NudeRaider -- ya and I was asking whether it wouldn't have been better to try and retreat. Might not have been enough, but maybe wouldve. We never no, so no point wondering. But we CAN discuss if it wouldve been the stronger move or not.[2017-7-02. : 9:14 pm] Moose -- Try to watch it again but pretend you don't have vision of Z. (having a replay vs a video would make this easier, but w/e)[2017-7-02. : 9:13 pm] Moose -- Because that's hindsight. If he knew that he needed to do things differently earlier in the game, he would have done them.[2017-7-02. : 9:11 pm] NudeRaider -- I sense sarcasm. But ignoring it I reply sometimes there's situations where you are so far behind that you can't get back, no matter how perfect you play.[2017-7-02. : 9:11 pm] Moose -- I'm saying it was probably over both ways, the lift and retreat might have delayed the inevitable.[2017-7-02. : 9:06 pm] NudeRaider -- So... back to my original question: You think it was the right decision to try and hold on to the nat despite it not looking good, and said the only way it couldve worked out if at that point he improved micro and didn[2017-7-02. : 9:05 pm] Moose -- Yeah. At the core of it, Jaedong* just did a very strong timing attack against a build that his attack counters.[2017-7-02. : 9:04 pm] Moose -- Yeah. At the core of it, FlaSh just did a very strong timing attack against a build that his attack counters.[2017-7-02. : 9:04 pm] NudeRaider -- but strategically I expect them to be near perfect all the time.[2017-7-02. : 9:03 pm] NudeRaider -- dont like blaming losses on individual mistakes a failed micro or somesuch. Those things happen.[2017-7-02. : 9:03 pm] Moose -- Shouldn't have even lifted out of his base when the attack started, either. Like, by the time it was down to 2 firebats still fighting 7 hydra, not good.[2017-7-02. : 9:02 pm] Moose -- Like the first medic he lost was just bad ... should have pulled it back, put an SCV in front or something[2017-7-02. : 9:01 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I also think FlaSh's bunker timing was late and his micro wasn't that great Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: And by not great, I mean for the FlaSh level LMAO ya[2017-7-02. : 9:01 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Jaedong was at ~20 drones, he wasn't completely slacking on eco not completely, indeed, but still not fully saturated either.[2017-7-02. : 9:00 pm] Moose -- I also think FlaSh's bunker timing was late and his micro wasn't that great[2017-7-02. : 8:59 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: The nat sacrifice he needed to make was before it was built by delaying it, IMO. well of course, in hindsight. He saw hydras, wasnt scared, got greedy. But at some point (the one I picked was buildings at entrance busted) he had to realize he can't go on like this.[2017-7-02. : 8:58 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: If he sacrifices the nat, he isn't a 2-base Terran. have you read the last part of that? NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I thought about that, but is it really basically auto lose? Jaedong didn't have a lot of workers, and a 2-base terran can do a scary lot, especially in Flash's hands. And the way I proposed it he wouldn't have been on 1 base for long because not losing as many marines as he did when he was sending them 1 by 1. Also half the nat SCVs still exist in the Main and lift off CC for a quick retake of the nat. [2017-7-02. : 8:57 pm] Moose -- The nat sacrifice he needed to make was before it was built by delaying it, IMO.[2017-7-02. : 8:57 pm] NudeRaider -- I just felt like he was wasting a lot of resources to cling onto the nat while not gaining anything from it all the time.[2017-7-02. : 8:56 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: NudeRaider NudeRaider NudeRaider My analysis: It isn't about FlaSh sacrificing his nat so much as what he would do after. Yes, FlaSh could have turtled up in his base to survive longer, but he's unlikely to win given the advantage Jaedong gained. Jaedong has the flexibility to play around anything FlaSh tries to do at that point. If that's turtling it up, Jaedong gets a bigger eco/more bases/tech/probably all three of those and is better positioned to do it. By the time it reached that point it was fight for the nat or die. I thought about that, but is it really basically auto lose? Jaedong didn't have a lot of workers, and a 2-base terran can do a scary lot, especially in Flash's hands. And the way I proposed it he wouldn't have been on 1 base for long because not losing as many marines as he did when he was sending them 1 by 1. Also half the nat SCVs still exist in the Main and lift off CC for a quick retake of the nat.[2017-7-02. : 8:51 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: what does? The pathfinding preview is updated live during terrain editing.[2017-7-02. : 8:50 pm] Moose -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: watch this hydra rush: https://youtu.be/jL1IrI9lce8?t=4935 At some point hydras got all buildings on the front entrance flash tried to get his unit count up, while using the SCVs from the NAT to help. At that point SCVs weren't mining anymore. Why didn't he take half the SCVs to mine at the main, the other half to help protect his ramp and getting his marine/medic count up. Basically sacrificing his nat. But getting an army that can combat any amount of hydras. At that point he could rebuild the NAT. NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: At least that's my analysis. But I'm not a melee player, let alone a pro like flash, so there's probably a reason why my strat wouldn't have worked. Can anyone point it out? NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I mean high ground advantage + narrow ramp + vision is such a big advantage that 2 medics would probably enough to heal all the damage. My analysis: It isn't about FlaSh sacrificing his nat so much as what he would do after. Yes, FlaSh could have turtled up in his base to survive longer, but he's unlikely to win given the advantage Jaedong gained. Jaedong has the flexibility to play around anything FlaSh tries to do at that point. If that's turtling it up, Jaedong gets a bigger eco/more bases/tech/probably all three of those and is better positioned to do it. By the time it reached that point it was fight for the nat or die. |
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