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[2018-7-14. : 5:43 am] * Generalpie yawns*[2018-7-13. : 7:08 pm]  jjf28 -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Vrael no, the correct answer is \n with no \r qft[2018-7-13. : 6:06 pm]  O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- VraelVrael shouted: FaRTy1billion The correct answer is spaces. no, the correct answer is \n with no \r[2018-7-13. : 2:06 pm] Vrael -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: Dem0n Mini Moose 2707 The correct answer is spaces.[2018-7-13. : 5:39 am] NudeRaider -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: NudeRaider I don't think those qualities are mutually exclusive ya I meant if it's any of those he should have a go.[2018-7-13. : 3:48 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- Dem0nDem0n shouted: why is this conversation still going Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: TBH, \r and \n the new tabs vs spaces [2018-7-13. : 1:20 am] Lanthanide -- hence to achieve new line in a fixed grid system, you need both \r and \n[2018-7-13. : 1:20 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide how does \n let you write at the end of a line? Also that's not what you said here. Lanthanide Tbh I give up trying to understand your theories about how things might once worked. Irrelevant today anyways. a device that operates with \n is treating your input as normal writing. a device that operates with \r\n is treating your input as characters on a fixed grid[2018-7-12. : 11:15 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: NudeRaider I don't think those qualities are mutually exclusive Bingo[2018-7-12. : 10:14 pm] jjf28 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Suicidal Insanity depends, are they cuddly or fluffy? I don't think those qualities are mutually exclusive[2018-7-12. : 10:09 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: So I should spend the next week making Unicode ascii cheetah art? depends, are they cuddly or fluffy?[2018-7-12. : 9:06 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- So I should spend the next week making Unicode ascii cheetah art?[2018-7-12. : 8:49 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Ya, well, priorities .... cute cuddly fluffy cheetahs, or double check my Unicode changes. That isn't a hard question  [2018-7-12. : 8:09 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- http://photos.arlinghaus.org/Animals/Dierenrijk/2018.07.10-DSM_9979-QHD-%7BB28A79F3-DBA5-4553-A6BC-C4884402FB7F%7D.jpg[2018-7-12. : 7:51 pm] Moose -- On a typewriter (monospaced) with point at line 20 character 40, \n would send point to line 21 column 40, \r would send point to line 20 column 0, and \r\n (or \n\r) would send point to line 21 column 0.[2018-7-12. : 6:13 pm] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider let you type stuff at the end of a line without having to put in lots of empty characters or press the right-arrow key; let you go back to the start of a line and overwrite text you've already entered; both together lets you type from the beginning of a line how does \n let you write at the end of a line? Also that's not what you said here. LanthanideLanthanide shouted: \n is treating output like normal writing - you start the beginning of the next line, whereas \r\n is treating the output like a position grid of text Tbh I give up trying to understand your theories about how things might once worked. Irrelevant today anyways.[2018-7-12. : 7:35 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider let you type stuff at the end of a line without having to put in lots of empty characters or press the right-arrow key; let you go back to the start of a line and overwrite text you've already entered; both together lets you type from the beginning of a line that's what home and end are for[2018-7-12. : 7:20 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide what things? let you type stuff at the end of a line without having to put in lots of empty characters or press the right-arrow key; let you go back to the start of a line and overwrite text you've already entered; both together lets you type from the beginning of a line[2018-7-12. : 5:41 am] NudeRaider -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: it's called my FIST Freedom Inclination Self Treatment?[2018-7-12. : 5:33 am] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: those actions all let you do different things what things?[2018-7-12. : 1:15 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also, Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: I've heard of \r\r\n sounds like somebody opened a file in text mode and then used \r\n anyway [2018-7-12. : 1:15 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: jjf28 I personally use \n only. Because screw windows even in windows \n is all you need, because opening a file in text mode will automatically convert \n to \r\n (which is why I think \r\n is dumb)[2018-7-12. : 1:14 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: FaRTy1billion that's 'cause the "invisible" characters are used on the unit names, and staredit reads the whole string and puts them into the appropriate menu that's incorrect. Unit names and groupings are separated by null characters. SC just reads the first one, StarEdit reads subsequent strings after the name[2018-7-11. : 9:06 pm] Lanthanide -- then you have a key that you can press that does \n and another key you can press that does \r[2018-7-11. : 9:06 pm] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide okay but if there's already every possible character on screen accounted for, what's the point of inserting a new line? Are you saying that /r/n is a move cursor down and to the beginning of the line in such a terminal? you start typing on the left and characters naturally result in the cursor shifting to the right after each keypress (otherwise you'd just be writing characters on top of each other in the same cell, which is pointless)[2018-7-11. : 7:52 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: jjf28 I personally use \n only. Because screw windows I love this dedication to compatibility and user friendlyness[2018-7-11. : 4:05 pm] NudeRaider -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: Vrael spaces vs tabs - line endings edition I personally use \n only. Because screw windows[2018-7-11. : 2:34 pm] jjf28 -- VraelVrael shouted: wow some fun new Discussion topics spaces vs tabs - line endings edition[2018-7-11. : 12:32 pm] jjf28 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide okay but if there's already every possible character on screen accounted for, what's the point of inserting a new line? Are you saying that /r/n is a move cursor down and to the beginning of the line in such a terminal? forward slash? smh[2018-7-11. : 11:18 am] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: if it stores a screen worth of data as a grid okay but if there's already every possible character on screen accounted for, what's the point of inserting a new line? Are you saying that /r/n is a move cursor down and to the beginning of the line in such a terminal?[2018-7-11. : 8:36 am] Lanthanide -- so all the menu stuff is written after the "invisible" character[2018-7-11. : 8:36 am] Lanthanide -- FaRTy1billionFaRTy1billion shouted: also interestingly, the "invisible" characters just stop the writing function from writing any more characters, but do not stop the function that calculates the string's width that's 'cause the "invisible" characters are used on the unit names, and staredit reads the whole string and puts them into the appropriate menu[2018-7-11. : 8:34 am] Lanthanide -- then it's entirely possible to edit later characters in a row without editing earlier characters[2018-7-11. : 8:34 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Lanthanide that terminal needs to have memory or it wouldn't display anything for longer than a display frame / processing cycle. yes: LanthanideLanthanide shouted: \r\n makes sense if you have fixed width displays that are always 80 characters (or whatever other fixed number), but otherwise doesn't make any sense [2018-7-11. : 6:32 am] NudeRaider -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider you're assuming that the data is being written to memory. It may just be displayed on the terminal, until an action occurs that writes it to memory (perhaps a "page down" key press), at which point the text shown on the screen is serialised to memory/disk that terminal needs to have memory or it wouldn't display anything for longer than a display frame / processing cycle.[2018-7-11. : 4:22 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- also interestingly, the "invisible" characters just stop the writing function from writing any more characters, but do not stop the function that calculates the string's width[2018-7-11. : 4:21 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- it's just weird that they treat it as a special character[2018-7-11. : 3:57 am] DarkenedFantasies -- <1A> is either End-of-File or Substitute character. To the best of my knowledge, it has no uses in SC other than appearing as a zero-width character in-game.[2018-7-11. : 1:41 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- it's also documented as being the default blue color, however from what I've seen it does not have any color assigned to it[2018-7-11. : 1:39 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- but what I was talking about was in SC \x1a breaks up words like spaces, tabs, \n's, \r's, etc. and breaks out of loops and stuff in the same places as either \n or \r[2018-7-11. : 1:38 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- but in notepad if you open a file that does not have either \r or \n, then all of the newlines are zero-width spaces which is fucking dumb[2018-7-11. : 1:37 am] O)FaRTy1billion[MM] -- like opening a file as a text file will turn \n in to \r\n or read \r\n as just \n |
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