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[2019-1-29. : 5:41 pm]  Pr0nogo -- it is funny that oh man and snakes make the same argument, touting downloads[2019-1-29. : 5:40 pm]  Voyager7456 -- who cares tho Dem0nDem0n shouted: You're dumb if you think a high download count equals quality [2019-1-29. : 5:40 pm] Voyager7456 -- I guess it's at least 500 because that's what the count on moddb says[2019-1-29. : 5:39 pm] Dem0n -- IDK why this is such a dick measuring contest. Do whatever you want, you retards.[2019-1-29. : 5:37 pm] Dem0n -- The most popular maps ever played on SC, downloaded hundreds of thousands of times, were shit[2019-1-29. : 5:37 pm] Voyager7456 -- I don't feel the need to jerk myself off about DL numbers so I don't have the means or desire to even track that lmao[2019-1-29. : 5:34 pm] Voyager7456 -- Oh_ManOh_Man shouted: Voyager7456 "Not that audience size matters in the slightest, but you're fooling yourself if you think the huge RPG maps SEN likes to pump out get any more play" Answer the question mad[2019-1-29. : 5:26 pm] Phobos -- I vaguely remember buying something ludicrously overpriced, but idk anymore[2019-1-29. : 5:25 pm] Oh_Man -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Oh_Man right - that's how gameplay works, the more downloads you have the better the gameplay is "Not that audience size matters in the slightest, but you're fooling yourself if you think the huge RPG maps SEN likes to pump out get any more play" Answer the question[2019-1-29. : 5:18 pm] Pr0nogo -- the only reason this is a heated argument at all is because mappers want to feel special and interpret critique of mapping as critique of themselves[2019-1-29. : 5:15 pm] Pr0nogo -- saying they are jank and gimmicky is a value judgment on their creation, not the result of that creation[2019-1-29. : 5:14 pm] Pr0nogo -- you might personally enjoy them, and even i might personally enjoy them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are jank and gimmicky - literally by design[2019-1-29. : 5:14 pm] Pr0nogo -- i don't think i'm confusing that at all, the feel of every rpg map has been jank and gimmicky[2019-1-29. : 5:08 pm] Phobos -- PhobosForgotHisPWPhobosForgotHisPW shouted: ok, corbo? is that your final answer?[2019-1-29. : 5:08 pm] jjf28 -- you're talking something completely different from Nudes original statement[2019-1-29. : 5:05 pm] jjf28 -- Pr0nogoPr0nogo shouted: jjf28 in principle yes, in execution no, and claiming that RPG maps justify their own existence because they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside is a non-argument all I'm saying is you're confusing the feel of the map and the nature of a component[2019-1-29. : 5:05 pm] PhobosForgotHisPW -- next guess is someone that isn't around so I'm gonna go with not that person[2019-1-29. : 5:05 pm] PhobosForgotHisPW -- I might or might not have given you my password at some point for some reason[2019-1-29. : 5:03 pm] Phobos -- PhobosForgotHisPWPhobosForgotHisPW shouted: how do I go about getting that account back btw, I don't have the email I used to create it anymore just ask me[2019-1-29. : 5:02 pm] Pr0nogo -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: there's a sharp difference between a system gameplay is based on being gimmicky and the resulting gameplay feeling gimmicky in principle yes, in execution no, and claiming that RPG maps justify their own existence because they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside is a non-argument[2019-1-29. : 4:56 pm] PhobosForgotHisPW -- how do I go about getting that account back btw, I don't have the email I used to create it anymore[2019-1-29. : 4:55 pm] Voyager7456 -- PhobosForgotHisPWPhobosForgotHisPW shouted: oh man, who are you lol u[2019-1-29. : 4:50 pm] Phobos -- PhobosForgotHisPWPhobosForgotHisPW shouted: how can map bois compete Nice username tbh [2019-1-29. : 4:50 pm] jjf28 -- Every RPG with a shuttle menu or Stargate caster has a gimmicky system, but the map still can feel amazing[2019-1-29. : 4:49 pm] Voyager7456 -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: there's a sharp difference between a system gameplay is based on being gimmicky and the resulting gameplay feeling gimmicky one tends to lead to the other, in my experience[2019-1-29. : 4:30 pm] jjf28 -- there's a sharp difference between a system gameplay is based on being gimmicky and the resulting gameplay feeling gimmicky[2019-1-29. : 3:55 pm] Pr0nogo -- here, let me pick up this item by selecting a shuttle and unloading a defiler LMAO[2019-1-29. : 3:55 pm] Pr0nogo -- at least with modding you are actually implementing new mechanics wholesale into your game and not hotkeying a fucking hatchery or a stargate[2019-1-29. : 3:45 pm] Voyager7456 -- To dismiss those kinds of projects as "gimmicky" while saying things like RPG maps are real "new gameplay" is crazy imo[2019-1-29. : 3:40 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 Voyager7456 haven't played any of them besides AO. Might give them a try, just to see how modding can create gameplay mechanics. Outside of ai I can't think of much. Any pointers what to look for? EE's ERIS, LW's Consensus adaptation or Transdyne economic manipulation, SOR's SC2-style macro mechanics, LU is a hidden traitor game, Conquer has a stock market, PEAI has that strange taxation system, etc - plenty of mods implement new gameplay mechanics[2019-1-29. : 3:29 pm] Voyager7456 -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Voyager7456 ao was still a rts. I've played great RPG maps. Nekron Yeah I think inconsummate was the mod I was referring to which was an exception to the rule that mods tend to forego gameplay to impress. it did both. I've never played an RPG map that actually implemented new gameplay that didn't feel like a gimmick. I doubt I ever will, because you're fighting an uphill battle trying to make SC into something you're not |
