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[2019-5-13. : 11:36 pm]  NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: NudeRaider You don't need to configure it every time I realize that. Presumably it's all in the profile. but you said you need to confirm it, and wouldn't know why I wouldn't want to confirm it (each time)[2019-5-13. : 11:35 pm] Zoan -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: I convinced em to add a bigger string section to the todo list literally the one thing I was going to say I did care about[2019-5-13. : 11:35 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Suicidal Insanity uh because once I configured it I don't need to confirm it again each time. You don't need to configure it every time[2019-5-13. : 11:35 pm] NudeRaider -- ZoanZoan shouted: did they make any changes? I didn't. Did you?[2019-5-13. : 11:35 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: But I dont know why you would want to uh because once I configured it I don't need to confirm it again each time.[2019-5-13. : 11:35 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- I convinced em to add a bigger string section to the todo list[2019-5-13. : 11:34 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: NudeRaider It has a GUI and aa profile list, then you run a profile and it shows the delta before copying / deleting files. or a way run it with a profile as parameter, so it starts that right away?[2019-5-13. : 11:33 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: NudeRaider It has a GUI and aa profile list, then you run a profile and it shows the delta before copying / deleting files. ah too bad. Know any "1 button fire" software?[2019-5-13. : 11:32 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Suicidal Insanity that's what I need. Ideally just copy over the delta. Suicidal Insanity hope it doesn't run it in the background? Ideally it'd be just a desktop / start menu item that when run copies whatever I had previously configured. It has a GUI and aa profile list, then you run a profile and it shows the delta before copying / deleting files.[2019-5-13. : 11:31 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: For one way sync that's what I need. Ideally just copy over the delta. Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: I use syncbackfree hope it doesn't run it in the background? Ideally it'd be just a desktop / start menu item that when run copies whatever I had previously configured.[2019-5-13. : 11:27 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- If I replace the 6TB drive in my 2 drive JBOD NAS with a 12TB drive, I should be good on space until at least christmas - and if the 6 or 8 bay enclosure is ever on massive sale by then I can get it and then I'll have plenty of room for 2020[2019-5-13. : 11:25 pm] NudeRaider -- whats most hassle-free way to sync a few folders to an external drive which you only occasionally attach to do the backup?[2019-5-13. : 11:22 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Ya 150 more, vs 380 for the 12TB drives. (Or 2xx for 10TB drives taken out of USB enclosures)[2019-5-13. : 11:21 pm] NudeRaider -- true, but you said 8 is only insignificantly more expensive. But leaves you with more options.[2019-5-13. : 11:21 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- But 8 bays is a newer model than 6 bay and only 150 more[2019-5-13. : 11:20 pm] NudeRaider -- All of these options are not enough when you want to have 40TB in 5 years. So maybe do go for 8 bays, and just more capacity 1 drive at a time, when you find a good deal.[2019-5-13. : 11:15 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- If you add a 12TB drive to both configurations you have 38TB vs 36TB usable[2019-5-13. : 11:14 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Suicidal Insanity That's pretty efficient considering you have 3 different sizes. you only lose 2,5TB compared to what you'd get if you had 4 drives, each with 9,5TB (12+12+8+6 = 38; 38 / 4 = 9,5) Ya total capacity is 38TB, available space is 26TB. Raid V with 3 x 12TB drives would be 24TB available.[2019-5-13. : 11:11 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: It actually does even better, it gets 26TB That's pretty efficient considering you have 3 different sizes. you only lose 2,5TB compared to what you'd get if you had 4 drives, each with 9,5TB (12+12+8+6 = 38; 38 / 4 = 9,5)[2019-5-13. : 11:11 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Unfortunately there is a cheap option for a 4bay NAS, and 5+ bays are expensive, and 8 bay isn't much more than 6, so it is all very nonlinear  [2019-5-13. : 11:09 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Replacing a 6TB with 12TB increaes it fro 26 to 32, while adding one means it increases to 38 - so if the cost of one more drive bay is less than half the cost of a drive it is worthwhile[2019-5-13. : 11:07 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- So 12+12+8+6 means 6TB raid V across 4 drives => 18TB, + 2TB raid V across 3 drives ->4TB, + 2TB raid V across 2 drives -> 2 TB -> 24TB[2019-5-13. : 11:06 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- gonna do synology hybrid raid - thats basically raid V, except it does raid 5 with lowest capacity drive across the array, then more raid 5 using remaining space on second lowest capacity drive etc[2019-5-13. : 11:06 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: 12TB x 2 + 8TB + 6TB fits in any size enclosure, but it costs more per TB to replace 6/8TB with 12TB than to get a bigger enclosure and add a new 12TB drive then you could just do JBOD.[2019-5-13. : 11:04 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: (And offsite backup of course) ya then definitely do RAID 5. And if you actually need that much storage, go for the 12TB HGST. Looks solid on backblaze (no idea about price). You'd need 4 bays, but maybe get 5-6 bays for a bit of breathing room.[2019-5-13. : 11:04 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- So I need to know final estimated capacity, then determine what size enclosure is optimal for a total price per TB point[2019-5-13. : 11:03 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- 12TB x 2 + 8TB + 6TB fits in any size enclosure, but it costs more per TB to replace 6/8TB with 12TB than to get a bigger enclosure and add a new 12TB drive[2019-5-13. : 11:02 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- If amazon cancels that order I may just buy a second 12TB drive instead[2019-5-13. : 11:02 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- And I have 2 cheap 10TB drives I ordered end of march which may actually be sent to me soon - then I'd have 5 drives to start with[2019-5-13. : 11:01 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- If I get raid V, I can stop mirroring and just use the NAS[2019-5-13. : 11:01 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Right now I have a 12TB drive in my PC, and that is mirrored to a NAS with 8TB+6TB[2019-5-13. : 11:00 pm] NudeRaider -- oh, I didn't realize that you'd immediately fill it up with 20TB (or 9TB as you initially said). That changes things a bit. [2019-5-13. : 11:00 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Downside to getting a second system is you need 9 drives to optimally use raid V, 8 drives data 1 drive parity. If you get 2 4 drive systems you have 6 drives data 2 drives parity[2019-5-13. : 10:58 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- at 4TB / year cat photos I'll need 40TB in 5 years. That assumes I don't ever buy a camera with more megapixels[2019-5-13. : 10:58 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Right now I have 10TB of photos, 4-6TB of acquired data for my thesis, and if I also add drives images of my SSDs (system, games, coding) I'm at close to 20TB total storage[2019-5-13. : 10:55 pm] NudeRaider -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: NudeRaider That's a bullshit suggestion. I'd need an 8bay NAS and 8 drives for 28TB capacity, where 3 12TB drives gets me 24 already not sure it's a good idea to plan to run the system for like 8+ years. But if you do my suggestions are indeed bs. I do consumer level stuff, so I'm planning 5 years ahead usually. Because in 5 years time tech will change a lot and you can get a 2nd system with whatever's currently the best.[2019-5-13. : 10:52 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- The idea is to minimize the total cost, not minimize cost now and pay twice as much in total when I end up filling it up[2019-5-13. : 10:51 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- I'm deciding between 8 or 10 TB drives taken from external enclosures, or 12TB drives with 5yr warrenty[2019-5-13. : 10:50 pm] NudeRaider -- actually, 6-8TB might be viable already. I'm not too up to date on that topic anymore. Here's some good rl stats on drive reliability: https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-stats-for-2018/[2019-5-13. : 10:49 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- Suicidal InsanitySuicidal Insanity shouted: NudeRaider That's a bullshit suggestion. I'd need an 8bay NAS and 8 drives for 28TB capacity, where 3 12TB drives gets me 24 already And once those 28TB are full it would be very expensive to increase capacity cause you would need to replace multiple drives thus invalidating the initial investment in 4TB drives[2019-5-13. : 10:47 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: You probably shouldn't spend too much time droning over it, or you'll end up taking so much time that it's not worth what you'll save. Just get something reasonable. I recommend HGST / Hitachi drives which have excellent failure rates. Speed shouldn't be the limiting factor when you're saving large files over Ethernet. Considering the cost is low 4 figures - I think an hour or three calculating what option is optimal is worth it[2019-5-13. : 10:46 pm] Suicidal Insanity -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: I'd get 4TB drives now and in a few years expect 6-8 TB to be viable. Adjust number of bays based on that and projected usage. There's also the option to get 4-5x 4TB now and when that's full in 4-5 years get another small NAS. That's a bullshit suggestion. I'd need an 8bay NAS and 8 drives for 28TB capacity, where 3 12TB drives gets me 24 already[2019-5-13. : 10:37 pm] NudeRaider -- oh wait, I forgot RAID in my calculations. I recommend RAID 5 as a good compromise between safety and not too much more drives. |
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