I didn't intend to use it as a clue, seeing as it could either mean Ashamed or a different player. That's the crappy part about the ambiguity--we don't really know who "he" or "his" is referring to. Well, we know it refers to the Mafia able to attack, but there's no positive confirmation of the identity of that entity.

[mindfuck]However, if the identity of the entity having the propensity to hide his enmity is Ashamed, then...[/mindfuck]

I'm not mafia, lol speed mafia sucks because alot of people don't think ><! I keep my vote.
If you guys are smart you will vote the actuall mafia clues against me are bad and stupid.
GG >< The town is going to be dead. You guys should of let me and payne take control because we might of won.
Mafia is this head my word before i Die

Raccoon <-> Poison
" " <-> DM

I don't know which combo. I'm pretty sure its the first one, Darkling may be in it just wait for the clue after i die ><!! you guys might win.
PS im pretty sure its the first combo, One because alot of clues point twords raccoon. 2 poison has made about 3 ridiculus post, with stupid clues.
It makes me think he is trying to find bogus clues so it keeps people away from him. If you notice all of his clues are stupid advance shit, that would never really make sense in speed mafia, because if you notice all of the clues have been direct clues. Not any of these crazy clues.

So if you guys want the good of this game you will vote Raccoon.
By the way even TZ said it was not me.... So if you are smart you wont vote for me.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Aug 16 2009, 5:46 am by Ashamed.

What I said was the "He just got his hit in " clue couldn't be used because he had actually gotten his hit in a while ago, and I only did that because it might really screw up the game if that "clue" was used. I never said you weren't Mafia.

brief my on those clues...

Apparently the rabid, red, and fur coat are "alot of clues", which happen to be the clues with one interpretation pointed at Ashamed. Oh, and the second combo he mentioned is not possible--Dark_Marine is dead.

So by "direct clues" you mean ones like the "climbing" and "rock wall" that lead to the townie Madroc?

If Ashamed is not Mafia, please proceed to lynch me during the next day.

Well GG guys ><! You lost
YOu listened to the mafia... What i would do after you guys kill another townie... IS KILL RACCOON WHICH THE CLUES POINT AT HIM MUCH MORE THEN ME...
Rabid is more of an animal thing... I would say seph went crazy but not "Rabid"
><!! So kill him first and then go after poison because if hes not mafia hes just a stupid townie he has done these stupid ass clues the whole game and made it GG since the begin... YOU ARE LOOKING WAY TO FAR INTO IT, OR YOU ARE JUST MAFIA.
So.. I would kill him next because then you people that don't have a brain to think for yourself. You will start thinking with Payne... Since i will be dead...
Payne might be able to lead you guys to victory so start listening to him. But I'm not sure if he is mafia... But I'm pretty sure he is not.
I'm also pretty sure poison is not mafia but he is not giving good clues. They seem like good clues but in reality they are just him trying to find something hidden in between the text when there really isn't anything there.... So if you guys were smart you would vote Raccoon, which the clues actually make sense. ><

>< sry for the kinda harsh words but you guys needed to hear it. Mby you will actually still win if you listen to me... I been trying to keep this game in my hands because there always has to be someone who takes control, but for some reason you guys let poison influence you even though i would say 70% of his clues have turned out completely wrong... I don't know why you guys would think he would be right this time... Does not make sense to me... But w/e ><!

Please if i die listen to payne... If he is mafia... At least the guy can think for himself.

the only clue that actually could apply to me is the rabid clue. and even that isnt the best clue against "raccoon"
poison found a few good clues against you. the red clue and the fur coat clue could also apply to more than just me. and they dont even apply to me very well. Ashamed, even if you aren't mafia, trust me, neither am i! and this isnt the best time for townies to be arguing.

If you guys want to win you will vote raccoon
All the clues point to him way more... FUR COAT, His avatar is wearing a fur coat, RABID ANIMAL, HIS NAME IS AN ANIMAL that can go rabid.
Um if you don't believe me i googled Rabid animals and guess what RACCOONS are in the top 8 of this one site.
Believe it or not raccoons are very known to go rabid.... VERY VERY KNOWN.
RABID?? RACCOONS HRMMM!!

And RED, HIS SIGNATURE IS IN ALL RED!

the red could apply to anyone who has a little red in their avatar, if you are thinking like that. Also it is debatable whether my avatar even has a fur coat. cause in HoN, he doesn't

Well that does not mean that TZ didn't think it was a fur coat when he made the clue...
It for sure looks like one.

It takes a life to live.

I'm changing my title and picture, but you can still find clues against the ones above me.

Raccoon, you can't link to stuff uploaded on SEN, because once you upload something different, it changes.

Ashamed, I am going to stick to my decision of reading more into the clues, because:

And yes, I am aware that some clues pointed straight at AngelSpirit. If TZ did that on every single clue, however, we would have a 3-day Speed Mafia on our hands. I don't think that's in anyone's best interest.

I still see my old avatar. But even if it doesn't work, you all know my old avatar, and if you want, I can post it for you again, if you don;t know what it was.

EDIT:

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 16 2009, 11:56 pm by Raccoon.

Big... BIG mind fuck for me: I really do not want to make the same error as with Madroc over an other town aligned role...
Would someone mind to make a recapitulation of the clues against Raccoon/Ashamed?
I'm really near to an abstain, but I'll keep going for Raccoon (and I feel like I'm doing a mistake ).
Personally, as far as I can remember, all the clues posted for now aren't really strong and shouldn't be considered as good interpretations to rely your lynch vote on.

^clues against Ashamed and others.

Clues against me: My red signature. TZ wrote "IF YOU DO, THIS BAR WILL RUN RED WITH YOUR BLOOD, MOTHERFUCKERS!

TZ said fur coat in past mafia kill, and people think my old avatar had a fur coat on it.

Clue "Rabid Animal" could apply to me (raccoons are rabid) or ashamed (ashamed's avatar went "rabid/crazed" in Final Fantasy or some game)

Day will end in three hours.

TZ, you should really post the lynching votes to help us...
Raccoon, it seems like all clues sucks. If ever it turns out that you are town aligned, I may suspect Ashamed of being a mafia, but I just cannot decide myself.
Hmm... What if... I Abstain. I think the clues we have are too random and I do not want to participate to a Russian roulette guess over weak clues. Sorry guys

Last time I checked, there were 3 for Ashamed, and 2 for Raccoon, but I think your changed vote makes it 3-1 now.

I'll check, brb.

EDIT: the votes are as follows:

Ashamed -- Raccoon
Darkling -- Ashamed
Raccoon -- Ashamed(2)
Payne -- Raccoon (2)

Currently slated for lynching: Raccoon

EDIT2: added payne's change, and the "currently slated" thingy.
EDIT3: You know what, something about this just smells fishy. I'm changing my vote to ABSTAIN.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Aug 17 2009, 8:30 pm by poison_us.

It's funny how the 3 people mostly accused of being mafia are voting for Ashamed
I shouldn't base myself over behaviour, but I guess I'll change back my vote for Raccoon just to support Ashamed

Thank you payne...
I really think its him.