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Brainstorm For Next Mafia
Nov 2 2011, 8:42 pm
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Dec 12 2011, 7:22 pm Lingie Post #61



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Dec 12 2011, 7:33 pm Observer12425 Post #62



If I had the cognitive function to be on and post the day posts, I would love to host a mafia... I have ideas by the dozens but my narrative, although flowing, would look something like the graph of d^4/dt^4(Ai(t)) (this).



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Dec 14 2011, 11:30 pm TiKels Post #63



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I'm still trying to understand exactly why people stopped playing aristocrat's, from an architectural perspective. Like what was going on behind the scenes in everyone's perspective? I mean, there was the whole aristocrat tampering with the game but... I mean I used my ability to broadcast but he pretty much altered it...



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Dec 15 2011, 12:15 am Lanthanide Post #64



I think I covered the main problems with Aristocrats mafia up there already. Making the votes of only 1/3rd of the people count for anything means day is boring for a lot of people. Then having a bunch of people with apparently useless night actions who also can't vote doesn't help, while simultaneously giving other players multiple different night actions. Sure, in vanilla mafia the townsfolk don't get any night actions, but the mafia also only get 1 night action, they don't get 4 or 5 to choose from. Having secret votes that overrule public votes (for all voting players) makes public voting even more pointless because you can't necessarily trust anything anyone says in the thread.



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Dec 15 2011, 12:38 am Excalibur Post #65

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Dec 15 2011, 12:58 am Lanthanide Post #66



Another aspect I just thought of. It seems that Aristocrat's idea of making votes not count was predicated on the idea that you would definitely not be sharing your identity with anyone else, because then you might get Death Noted. But the problem is that it was the Role that determined your ability to vote, not your identity. So people could more or less share their roles with each other without necessarily having to share their identity. Also because only the investigator's votes counted and they all knew each others pseudonyms, it was pretty easy for an investigator to spot when someone else was definitely not an investor and therefore their vote didn't count, if that other person voted for an investigator (because a true investigator would never do that unless they thought it was kira, but early in the game there aren't going to be any useful leads for this).

Overall it seems Aristocrat's mafia was designed to discourage people forming permanent alliances or trusting each other. The rules as constructed failed to do this, and aside from that I don't know that that would actually be fun anyway.



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Dec 15 2011, 1:00 am DevliN Post #67

Woah

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Oh. My. Holy crap. I concur.



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Dec 16 2011, 2:15 am ImagoDeo Post #68



Lemme know when a thread for the game is started. I'm in.



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Dec 17 2011, 1:00 am Observer12425 Post #69



I'm in in advance.



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[06:02 pm]
Zoan -- of course it isn't full understanding. You could ask "is the mechanism by which this counterexample blows up the ONLY mechanism possible for an initial configuration to blow up?"
[05:48 pm]
Zoan -- ppl do it all the time in PDEs
[05:47 pm]
Zoan -- Heinermann
Heinermann shouted: it also didn't solve that problem but hey as long as the investors are pleased
Constructing a counterexample is answering the question: "Is Navier Stokes well posed?" in the negative
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NudeRaider -- I only heard about it, didn't any news article, so what did it do then?
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Heinermann -- it also didn't solve that problem but hey as long as the investors are pleased
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NudeRaider -- I have no idea tbh. All I know no human was ever able to solve it, but there's at least a few that beat portal ;)
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Zoan -- Navier Stokes is not that esoteric I thought
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NudeRaider -- Zoan
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you find it sad not everyone is a math nerd?
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