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There's probably better reasons to like SC2 than the campaign

I don't see how that's an expression of hate

What? HavoK just expressed that he liked the SC2 campaign. That's how this all started.

You've gone out of your way over multiple topics to express how much you don't like SC2, and its the same thing each time. If it isn't "hate," fine, but then you're arguing semantics rather than my actual point. Any time anyone says they like SC2, its as if you have to tell them they are wrong, rather than just accepting that some people like the game. This is one such example. HavoK likes the SC2 campaign a lot. My point was that there's no need to get into a debate over why he is wrong for liking the campaign. No one should need a reason why they like something simply to convince someone else, especially when it is impossible to convince that person.

The topic is about whether or not you would buy SC HotS, so of course there would be discussion about the pros and cons of SC2

If you're basing my views on previous posts, then yeah, you can say that I'm expressing hate that's unnecessary.
However, asking "what?", or in this context, "why" would one want to buy SC HotS for its campaign is perfectly legitimate and not a form of harassment or attack.
It should also be fine to criticize others, as long as it isn't in any way hurtful (altho, on the internet, it always is.. ><)

Also, it shouldn't be a crime to create threads and posts that are there to vent anger, as long as the "hate" isn't directed to anyone or group personally.

Unfortunately, it seems that my over-zealous blamming of SC2 has caused an over-zealous backlash, so there you go.
I'd like to point out that I haven't even expressed my detest about SC2 on this entire thread, because this wasn't the thread's purpose.
Maybe you should think about staying on topic

Anyway, the question still stands..
"Why", of all the good and bad things about SC2, would you buy SC2 HotS for its campaign, especially since the ending was leaked out? You also mentioned the novels, which I've heard were terrible. Last, but not least, a cracked version that will allow you to play the Single Player campaign will probably come out weeks after the release of HotS. So, there's no need to buy the game for the campaign.

On another note, 60% ppl will buy SC2. IIRC, isn't that what the developers predicted as well?

I still wouldn't buy SC2 because I feel the developers don't seem to have customers like me on their list of priorities. (I mean.. how much more simpler can I get? I can list the details, but they all amount to the same conclusion...)

Just no.

I agree, however I think that those posts become unnecessary when we see the same points brought up over and over again. This is what I was referring to in an earlier post when I said that we get the same responses over again.

Haha oh boy. I was trying to stay on topic by saying this should not turn into a debate and asking if we could just leave it at "Some people liked the SC2 campaign (myself included)." Clearly that didn't pan out. Given past posts in this thread as well as posts in other topics where you start questioning why people like SC2 (or the campaign), it is clear that no matter what anyone tells you, you will defend your opinion that SC2 sucks and the campaign sucks. The debate already took place in this thread, and I was trying to prevent it from happening again as you'll probably end up saying the same things you said in earlier posts, and those of us that were in the earlier debate will follow suit.

Who cares if the ending was leaked? I'm fairly certain those who liked playing the campaign liked it because they were playing the campaign. In my case, I just enjoyed the actual campaign and the act of playing it. I knew the ending before starting, but the journey getting there was the fun part.

Some of us prefer to buy the game rather than pirate it. We have a whole topic dedicated to this subject elsewhere.

Pirating games is in a sense just like pirating music. Those that want to pirate music do so, but those that support their favorite singer/band will go out and buy the cd. For instance, I have YouTube to listen to Kings of Leon all day without paying for a cd, but I just love the band, so I go out and buy their cds.

About the ending being leaked, so what. Not trying to be mean or anything, but the ending is only part of the story, not all of it. There could be all kinds of twists and turns in the campaign, just like in movies.

Let's all agree to disagree...

SC1 story was great... awesome even. from what i read about the books on the sc2 wiki they basically set up the starcraft universe to be another version of warcraft except in space. really a shame because it was cool how it was. the sc2 campaign was good if you care about single player experience and introduction to the game. the story was shit though. i was only interested in the game because of the story and i ended up seeing the cut scenes/reading about it anyway when it came out. i only bought sc2 later because i was told the story was much better when you played it through. verdict's out on that one since the story had already been spoiled for me, but i still preferred the direction blizzard took with the original starcraft. WoL feels too artificial, the characters aren't believable... but maybe I'm too used to Game of Thrones and Breaking Bad, which actually has good character development without being cheesy.

edit: story wise, if i had to sum up my sentiment in a few words - starcraft 1 feels like it was to conveying an interesting alternative paradigm in the distant future... first contact and the resulting conflict, starcraft 2 feels like it was made specifically to pander to 12-15 year olds while leaving themselves [blizzard] the freedom to take the story in any direction they want. so like i said above if you're used to proper character development and whatnot starcraft 2 feels rather artificial. all the characters were archetypes.

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@Devlin

Well this is a thread about whether or not you'd buy the next SC2 installment, so it is expected that some of the same points will be brought up again

Whether or not you want the same debate to happen again won't stop it from occurring...
The only thing you can ask of me, and everyone, is the manner in which the arguments are conveyed, which I've admitted to and will be trying to tone it down a bit.

@Campaign piracy n etc.

If you want to support the company, then fine. I certainly won't

However, I'm wondering if people here, including me, are getting confused between the Story and the Single Player campaign..
because one just means the story, while the latter encompasses both the SP Gameplay and the story.
With the later, I doubt anything could go wrong with the gameplay... Even I would want to play the campaign.
But I'm dreading the story.

I agree with everything Veta said.

I will definitely. I would probably purchase feces if it was an official Blizzard Starcraft product, I'm a sucker for Starcraft lol.

That being said, I will purchase the collector's edition (assuming they have one) and I hope it comes with some more nice new avatars for bnet and a new skin for one of the awesome zerg units. Anything beyond that would be goldddd for me.

Agreed... Read plenty of the Starcraft (originals) books. Currently going back to read them again haha

lol no

Only major problem for me is i already saw the ending cut scene...

Why is that an issue?

If you're talking about the leaked cutscene that came out a while ago, apparently that was an alternative storyboard for the ending of WoL.

I'm not entirely sure I believe that, but there you go.

I would believe that considering she's still the old Infested Kerrigan in that leaked scene, whereas she looks completely different in HotS.

That just means she gets re-infested at some point. Which lets face it, isn't beyond the realm of Blizzard's lame storywriting lately.

Yes, definitely

because I want to see the end of the story. I despise the story, maybe more than UU, but I'm still hoping they manage to pull something good out of it. I don't see how, with that terrible terrible start in SC2 (non-linear storyline was the first and biggest mistake), but I'm kinda hoping.

Other thing is I want to see if they'll ever fix the current imbalance in the game. It's less of a specific imbalance and more of a flexibility issue with Terran. A lot of the decisions that a Terran can make aren't penalized as much as they are in other races. (Scan compensates for no detection, bunkers can be salvaged (cannons/spines can't), you can move your structures to take advantage of addons differently, making lots of T1 units doesn't = loss instantly (marines > everything)...) The only way to really fix this that I see would be to give the other races as much flexibility as Terran has now. New units are one way to do this, so long as they don't make terran more flexible as well. Blizzard is afraid to remove anything from Terran right now and that's not the right viewpoint to have.

Well watching the ending cutscene really spoils the whole game for but that's just imo.

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If you're talking about that 'leaked' cutscene that was clearly not finished yet, with Kerrigan reinfested and going 'This isn't vengeance - THIS IS JUSTICE!' then I'd like to remind you that was never confirmed to be the end cutscene of HotS. I'm extremely disinclined to believe that it would be. Blizzard hasn't sunk that low yet.